Going In Back!

[Narenzade]

So, last night I was playing with my chum. My unit of zombies with a Necromancer in it got involved in a scuffle. His character issues a challenge which my Necromancer declines...so he's off to the back.

Does he die as wounds are removed from the unit?

 

[Lepaca]

So, last night I was playing with my chum. My unit of zombies with a Necromancer in it got involved in a scuffle. His character issues a challenge which my Necromancer declines...so he's off to the back.

Does he die as wounds are removed from the unit?

The excess wounds your opponent's unit causes can not kill the necro. The CR however can cause him to die.

 

[Narenzade]

Can you explain that a little bit more in depth?

 

[Tamodan Varison]

Let's say you've got 20 zombies. Your opponent does enough wounds to kill 22 Zombies. The 2 excess wounds do not carry over to the Necromancer, they're just wasted. Your Necromancer will die due to drumbling however, a VC moedls lose one wounds per point they lose combat by.

Second scenario. You've got 30 zombies, your opponent kills 20. There's still ten zombies and a necro standing, but you've lost combat by 20. The crumbling will not only kill the zombies, but also the Necromancer, as wounds from CR do carry over.

Short, in both scenarios, the Necro's pretty dead.

 

[Lepaca]

Can you explain that a little bit more in depth?

I'll try:

So I understood what you said was basically this:

EEEEE E=Enemy
EEEEE H=Enemy Hero
EEHEE Z=Zombie
N=Necro
ZZZZN
ZZZZZ
ZZZZZ

Necro refuses challenge and has to go to the back.

EEEEE
EEHEE
ZZZZZ
ZZNZZ

As you can see the Necro is in the back row and can not be targeted by your opponent's attacks.
However, if your opponent causes for example 7 wounds you will only have 2 zombies and the Necro left. Say he also wins combat by 7 then you'll have to distribute the 7 wounds caused by combat resolution. Since you don't have enough models left to soak up these wounds you will have to put some of them on the Necro which then dies.

 

[uSea]

So, last night I was playing with my chum. My unit of zombies with a Necromancer in it got involved in a scuffle. His character issues a challenge which my Necromancer declines...so he's off to the back.

Does he die as wounds are removed from the unit?

I believe you are referring to the 'Remove Casualties' rule which says that casualties are removed from the rear rank.

This is talking about Rank and File casualties (your basic Zombies).

To attack a character in close combat the opponant must allocate attacks against him (see page 99 of the Big Rule Book). Remember that only models in base contact with the character can choose to attack him. In the example you gave above, your Necromancer is safe from close combat attacks as refusing a challenge means he is moved to a rank not in base contact with the enemy (not necessarily the back rank).

Due to Undead units being Unstable, your Necromancer can die to Combat Resolution but only after all Rank and File models are removed first.

 

[Narenzade]

This makes sense. Thank you guys so much. I very much appreciate all the help.

 

[Yorga]

Note that anyone who "Issues a Challenge" against your Zombies in that scenario is either Chaos Warriors who must or stupid.

 

[midean]

One other thing to note is that he doesn't have to go to the back rank. Middle paragraph pg 102, Refusing a challenge, " Move the model into a rank where he is not in base contact with the enemy." So he can be placed ANYWHERE, in any rank, as long as he is not in contact with the enemy.

 

[Narenzade]

One other thing to note is that he doesn't have to go to the back rank. Middle paragraph pg 102, Refusing a challenge, " Move the model into a rank where he is not in base contact with the enemy." So he can be placed ANYWHERE, in any rank, as long as he is not in contact with the enemy.

Mind blown.

You guys are the best.