I'm trying to come up a solid my vamp would loathe the chaos god, but bc of his loathing for them be supseptable if he's not careful.
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Please try and structure your posts a little better; if English isn't your first language then I can understand, but it's tough to work out what you mean. So far I'm guessing that you're trying to work some fluff out for your Vampire, and that you want him to hate Chaos especially? And that his hatred also makes him weak to its power?
How did the hatred come about? Perhaps he had a lover who was slain in a Chaos incursion? Maybe he hates Chaos because the Winds of Magic blow from the Chaos Wastes, and it was dark magic that made him what he is?
How did the hatred come about? Perhaps he had a lover who was slain in a Chaos incursion? Maybe he hates Chaos because the Winds of Magic blow from the Chaos Wastes, and it was dark magic that made him what he is?
Sorry abt that. I was at work when I posted so I had to be quick.
I had an idea abt his entire village/town was destroyed by an army of demons during the first chaos invasions. Him being a young man 19 tried to help as best as he could, but what can u do against an army of deamons when your just a peasant with no proper training. He was struck down; however he wasn't dead yet just on the doorstep. Being unable to do anything else he watched as everyone he knew and loved was slaughtered before his eyes. Finally after the massacre was finished the majority of the deamons had moved on toward another town. Of cousre some straglera were left behind because they were still indulging and noticed he still clung to life. As they were about to finish him a vampire that had been passing by the area intervened slaying the remaining deamons. Feeling the nous desire for revenge offered him a way to take it.
Of course its just been bouncing around in my noggin. The vamp that turned is probably going to be a blooddragon.
What I was considering with malah is that yes he's a vamp now but still feels he has yet to achieve the strengh he needs until he find a tome containg a passage about malah. Then his slow descent into madness begins.
Hope that's clears anything up.
I had an idea abt his entire village/town was destroyed by an army of demons during the first chaos invasions. Him being a young man 19 tried to help as best as he could, but what can u do against an army of deamons when your just a peasant with no proper training. He was struck down; however he wasn't dead yet just on the doorstep. Being unable to do anything else he watched as everyone he knew and loved was slaughtered before his eyes. Finally after the massacre was finished the majority of the deamons had moved on toward another town. Of cousre some straglera were left behind because they were still indulging and noticed he still clung to life. As they were about to finish him a vampire that had been passing by the area intervened slaying the remaining deamons. Feeling the nous desire for revenge offered him a way to take it.
Of course its just been bouncing around in my noggin. The vamp that turned is probably going to be a blooddragon.
What I was considering with malah is that yes he's a vamp now but still feels he has yet to achieve the strengh he needs until he find a tome containg a passage about malah. Then his slow descent into madness begins.
Hope that's clears anything up.
I wonder how a mortal could escape a daemon's notice; it's very unlikely that they wouldn't realise he wasn't dead. Maybe if the incursion was Chaos warriors instead? That way he could appear dead (on death's doorstep) and still witness the murders.
That does make more sense. Always help to have somebody to bounce ideas off of. Wat was the timeline for the first chaos incursion?
Malal is a sold choice to be the chaos god that your vamp is obsessed with.
With regard to the book your vamp reads, check out the passage relating to The Great Book of Despair here:
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Malal
In general, a Vampire is unlikely to follow the path of any of the "big four" gods of chaos as:
Tzeentch represents change and inconstancy, while the vampire is, by his very nature, inherently unchanging and constant.
Everything Nurgle stands for is alien to the vampire as he is completely untouched by disease and decay
Khorne worshippers would argue that blood is for the blood god, not the vampire.......... (good quote in NDM about this)
Slaanesh is all about excess and living for the moment, while vampires tend to live in past glories and be less open to new sensations and experiences. (personally, I find this one a bit wishy washy, as vampires tend to be portrayed in most GW literature as constantly schemeing and planning for the future and attempting to increase their power etc).
Malal, on the other hand, represents the force of pure destruction and anarchy. He is also a renegade chaos god, and stands opposed to the other 4. So, your vamp:
1) Is likely to be a loner and renegade, and shunned by others, as Malal is
2) Is obsessed with his quest to bring unbridled and unreasoning violence to the followers of Malal - which is preceisely what Malal stands for - even unto the destruction of his own followers. It would also follow here that he would be a Blood Dragon, as they engage in violence for the sheer sake of it.
3) He (at present) stands against Chaos (as represednted by the 'big 4') -- which, again, is what Malal does.
It is quite easy to see him become the tool of what he despises the most as there are so many similarities.
The only issue is now : how did he become a vampire in the first place.....?
PS: If you don't like the idea of Malal, there is always my favourite Chaos God - Necoho the Doubter - who's core tenet is that his follows should NOT believe in gods of any kind and should NOT engage in worship of any kind.
With regard to the book your vamp reads, check out the passage relating to The Great Book of Despair here:
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Malal
In general, a Vampire is unlikely to follow the path of any of the "big four" gods of chaos as:
Tzeentch represents change and inconstancy, while the vampire is, by his very nature, inherently unchanging and constant.
Everything Nurgle stands for is alien to the vampire as he is completely untouched by disease and decay
Khorne worshippers would argue that blood is for the blood god, not the vampire.......... (good quote in NDM about this)
Slaanesh is all about excess and living for the moment, while vampires tend to live in past glories and be less open to new sensations and experiences. (personally, I find this one a bit wishy washy, as vampires tend to be portrayed in most GW literature as constantly schemeing and planning for the future and attempting to increase their power etc).
Malal, on the other hand, represents the force of pure destruction and anarchy. He is also a renegade chaos god, and stands opposed to the other 4. So, your vamp:
1) Is likely to be a loner and renegade, and shunned by others, as Malal is
2) Is obsessed with his quest to bring unbridled and unreasoning violence to the followers of Malal - which is preceisely what Malal stands for - even unto the destruction of his own followers. It would also follow here that he would be a Blood Dragon, as they engage in violence for the sheer sake of it.
3) He (at present) stands against Chaos (as represednted by the 'big 4') -- which, again, is what Malal does.
It is quite easy to see him become the tool of what he despises the most as there are so many similarities.
The only issue is now : how did he become a vampire in the first place.....?
PS: If you don't like the idea of Malal, there is always my favourite Chaos God - Necoho the Doubter - who's core tenet is that his follows should NOT believe in gods of any kind and should NOT engage in worship of any kind.
That's the hard part. I want his transformation into the undead be something that makes sense, but isn't unreasonable either.
Perhaps the vampire had hidden himself amongst a band of knights which had been despatched when they saw smoke rising from the village that was attacked. The knights arrived too late to stop the warriors, but as the vampire hidden amongst them picked it was through the ruins, it found the almost-dead body. It called to the other knights saying there were no survivors, then knelt down and gave the Blood Kiss, as he knew that if somebody had survived a chaos incursion then they would make a powerful vampire.
Maybe he wandered off after seeing the destruction of his villiage and came across a Blood Dragon, who had been attracted to the area by the prospect of fighting the Chaos Warriors. Mistaking the Blood Dragon for one of the Chaos warriors (plausible - both are fearsome warrior types with ornate and unusual armour) he attacked the Blood Dragon. The Blood Dragon wins, but is so impressed with ferocity and courage displayed by our "hero" that the Blood DRagon turns him?
Not trying to disrespect either of you, Darvy or Whisky, but your ideas just seem a little odd.
As far as I know a vampire doesn't randomly give the blood kiss to near dead people, it'd most likely just feast on its blood, I can't think of a reason why it would make an exception to this random nearly dead man.
In a similar manner, the soldier would have to be sigmar to impress a vampire into giving him the blood kiss, because why would a vampire that got close to beaten want to augment the power of his enemy? That and I wouldn't think that a vampire would give the blood kiss like a reward, invariably they do it for more selfish reasons.
I therefore propose my random fluff background: The vampire is off into the chaos wastes because they are seeking a chaos artefact (absolutely not malus darkblade
) or whatever, that is up to you, plenty of reasons for a vamp to go to the north. On departure he finds a strapping young local boy and vampirifies him so that he has an assistant for the expedition that will not need direct commanding like his usual thralls, also the increased bloodlust of being a new vampire will mean that your character will be very efficient at finding food and killing it for the elder vampire, so would be useful for him on the journey. Seeing as turning into a vampire is a very traumatic experience, your character will be particularly loathful of chaos as he had to spend so much time in its presence up north. This would probably also explain how he is so suscetible to it as well.
That seem okay?
As far as I know a vampire doesn't randomly give the blood kiss to near dead people, it'd most likely just feast on its blood, I can't think of a reason why it would make an exception to this random nearly dead man.
In a similar manner, the soldier would have to be sigmar to impress a vampire into giving him the blood kiss, because why would a vampire that got close to beaten want to augment the power of his enemy? That and I wouldn't think that a vampire would give the blood kiss like a reward, invariably they do it for more selfish reasons.
I therefore propose my random fluff background: The vampire is off into the chaos wastes because they are seeking a chaos artefact (absolutely not malus darkblade
) or whatever, that is up to you, plenty of reasons for a vamp to go to the north. On departure he finds a strapping young local boy and vampirifies him so that he has an assistant for the expedition that will not need direct commanding like his usual thralls, also the increased bloodlust of being a new vampire will mean that your character will be very efficient at finding food and killing it for the elder vampire, so would be useful for him on the journey. Seeing as turning into a vampire is a very traumatic experience, your character will be particularly loathful of chaos as he had to spend so much time in its presence up north. This would probably also explain how he is so suscetible to it as well.That seem okay?
First off, apologies for my rather perfunctory moving of the thread without posting anything constructive. I had exams to contend with.
Evidently the mindset of a Blood Dragon is alien to you :tongue:. It is precisely because his enemy proved worthy that a Blood Dragon would grant his beaten foe the Blood Kiss. A Blood Dragon would welcome the prospect of his opponent becoming stronger, for that would be a better test of his skills.
That being said, your proposed fluff is fine too except for the bit about susceptibility. A vampire's soul is sealed entirely within his body, unlike all others who have their spirits at least partly in the Realm of Chaos. This is why Chaos has no direct influence over vampires. And also, as explained earlier by Whisky the four canon Ruinous Powers would have little appeal to vampires, so there is little reason for them to turn to Chaos worship.
Lucifer said:As far as I know a vampire doesn't randomly give the blood kiss to near dead people, it'd most likely just feast on its blood, I can't think of a reason why it would make an exception to this random nearly dead man.
In a similar manner, the soldier would have to be sigmar to impress a vampire into giving him the blood kiss, because why would a vampire that got close to beaten want to augment the power of his enemy? That and I wouldn't think that a vampire would give the blood kiss like a reward, invariably they do it for more selfish reasons.
I therefore propose my random fluff background: The vampire is off into the chaos wastes because they are seeking a chaos artefact (absolutely not malus darkblade
That seem okay?
Evidently the mindset of a Blood Dragon is alien to you :tongue:. It is precisely because his enemy proved worthy that a Blood Dragon would grant his beaten foe the Blood Kiss. A Blood Dragon would welcome the prospect of his opponent becoming stronger, for that would be a better test of his skills.
That being said, your proposed fluff is fine too except for the bit about susceptibility. A vampire's soul is sealed entirely within his body, unlike all others who have their spirits at least partly in the Realm of Chaos. This is why Chaos has no direct influence over vampires. And also, as explained earlier by Whisky the four canon Ruinous Powers would have little appeal to vampires, so there is little reason for them to turn to Chaos worship.
ah damn, I have well and truly been outfluffed, admittedly I've just never really read anything Blood dragon, but it seems very noble (if a little silly) for a vampire! Apologies darvy and whisky. I would still say that exposure to so much warp, although it wouldn't affect his soul, would at least make him more.. familiar with it, yes not the four gods, but more of just raw chaos.
A lot of this is close to the edge in terms of canon anyway; Chaosy vampires just don't happen.
However, if you wanted to do the fully monty you could invent a Chaos God of Vampirism...
EDIT: Raw emotion fuelling the spirit of Nagash, or something like that.
However, if you wanted to do the fully monty you could invent a Chaos God of Vampirism...
EDIT: Raw emotion fuelling the spirit of Nagash, or something like that.
I suppose that's why we're all finding it difficult to make a legit chaos vampire, the two just don't go together, unless we create a chaos god of vampirism.
Would It make sense if he was created in Nagash's pyramid?
Would It make sense if he was created in Nagash's pyramid?
Hadn't thought if that. A chaos vamp spawned from Nagash's pyramid could work if done right. He/she would be in direct opposition of Khorne, or i'd assume that would be case. I mean if the eldar created a god it can't be to hard
The eldar didn't create fantasy slaanesh 
And the god would be created by the pyramid, rather than the vampire, that'd be a little bit random, this vampire just pops into existence on top of a pyramid
And the god would be created by the pyramid, rather than the vampire, that'd be a little bit random, this vampire just pops into existence on top of a pyramid
It's possible, but its quite a seismic shift from straying close to the edge of canon and creating an entirely new chaos god of vampires.
That said, its your fluff, and there is no reason why you can't make your vamp who you want him to be and create stuff you are comfortable with. I just wouldn't try using the fluff if you play at your local games workshop...................
Just as an aside, Nights Dark Masters does mention that there have been vampires that have turned to the worship of Slaanesh. However they are EXCEPTIONALLY rare (2-3 ever). In your original fluff, your vamp would more likely be an unknowing pawn of Malal rather than an actual servant or worshipper.
That said, its your fluff, and there is no reason why you can't make your vamp who you want him to be and create stuff you are comfortable with. I just wouldn't try using the fluff if you play at your local games workshop...................
Just as an aside, Nights Dark Masters does mention that there have been vampires that have turned to the worship of Slaanesh. However they are EXCEPTIONALLY rare (2-3 ever). In your original fluff, your vamp would more likely be an unknowing pawn of Malal rather than an actual servant or worshipper.
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On the susceptability to chaos, perhaps the blade of a daemon weapon has remained in his body providing an entry into the vampires heart.
This could be worked into his backstory. Say he was the assisstant to a reclusive reasearcher on necromantic artifacs etc. They were then caught up in a battle involving demons. Your character becomes mortally wounded and is saved by his master, who revealed himself as a vampire during the battle, by the gifting of the blood kiss. This however angered the chaos gods and so they sought to reclaim the soul taken from them. through a series of events his master is killed and it is then that he discovers the existance of Malal and swears an oath against chaos.
the latter part may not be necessary if you want to have a caster and melee vampire in your army.
This could be worked into his backstory. Say he was the assisstant to a reclusive reasearcher on necromantic artifacs etc. They were then caught up in a battle involving demons. Your character becomes mortally wounded and is saved by his master, who revealed himself as a vampire during the battle, by the gifting of the blood kiss. This however angered the chaos gods and so they sought to reclaim the soul taken from them. through a series of events his master is killed and it is then that he discovers the existance of Malal and swears an oath against chaos.
the latter part may not be necessary if you want to have a caster and melee vampire in your army.