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I've been with this system so long, the change itself isn't as big of a wallop to me as to others. I just got done playing a back to back game of AOS and first edition WHFB. Plays very simular. With that said, I think the biggest problem is how GW informed us to the new change. Nothing new here. It was the same when the first chaos codex for 40k came out. The legions were fractured, squad types gone, my own world eaters turned into just a horde of assault troops with nothing eles etc. no warning to the change untill the book came out just " something new coming" this is the same they did with ET. Yeah, we know it said end times, but it would have been nice for them to active embrace a information campaign to switch us over instead of letting months of rumors just float around. Did I leave the game? No. I did like many now, work on backlog stuff, look at a few things that had models teasing me some, and a chance to just paint some stuff I never would have worked on because it didn't go along with my armies. Course with 40k I had undead to fall back on.
As to what's next for here? I agree, some change to format might be done, mostly to the game tactics and army building pages. Painting and such can pretty much stay the same. We already have a section for 40k and such so one for WHFB ,AOS and others could be set up. The main question is do we go with a AOS overall, WHFB, or general vampire undead front? We all play undead because we're drawn to the look and creepy feel to a army that can't really die. That and they are cool, let's face it.
It will help when AOS gets around to giving us some fluff to mull over instead of letting us float around in some plane stuck with nagash. Sadly I think we won't see much info for undead untill after the first of the year.
As to what's next for here? I agree, some change to format might be done, mostly to the game tactics and army building pages. Painting and such can pretty much stay the same. We already have a section for 40k and such so one for WHFB ,AOS and others could be set up. The main question is do we go with a AOS overall, WHFB, or general vampire undead front? We all play undead because we're drawn to the look and creepy feel to a army that can't really die. That and they are cool, let's face it.
It will help when AOS gets around to giving us some fluff to mull over instead of letting us float around in some plane stuck with nagash. Sadly I think we won't see much info for undead untill after the first of the year.
If you're talking about me personally I'm generally just not reading anything that relates to AoS going about how it's the best thing since sliced bread. I don't begrudge anyone for enjoying something, I do get annoyed with readings about how amazing it is, how it was the only way to save warhammer (blah, blah, blah). I can't say I haven't thrown any cash at GW since it came out, I did like the Khorne models, got what I wanted off ebay I found a use for what I wanted to finishg off my 8th ed armies. I don't see me spending anything else on GW games now. I'll be concentrating on my Khorne warthrone army now (and sounds like the warriors of the apoc will be out on a limited run soon!).
Pirate Robot Ninja of Death
Vampire Thrall
Those that chose to go KoW.... well, make your own forumThat game has nothing to do with Vampirecounts or warhammer.
Age of Sigmar has passingly little to do with Vampire Counts, either. Our army has been relegated to a "legacy" battlescroll, for a game that bears little resemblance to the one that this community was built around.
A community is defined by that which holds it together, and WHFB: Vampire Counts no longer exists to do that. Our community is fragmented, and either we gather up those shards as best we can or this community will shrink down to Age of Sigmar players alone. And good luck keeping this community alive based around nothing but a legacy battlescroll for a game that's entirely unpalatable to a large part of the former competitive WHFB community.
Skittelz1981
Varghulf
no @Pirate Robot Ninja of Death but AoS is still warhammer, which this forum happens to be based upon. Furthermore the Death legions are vampires for a large part, even more than just the Von Carstein.
If you had read properly, a few lines later i state that anybody with any interest in vampires, warhammer and in this forum in general is always welcome to participate.
A subthread for KoW might be added to the forum but i doubt it has any added value.
Same goes for all other Tabletopsystems. You can expand this one forum into all the other games on the market but what is really the purpose.
AoS is warhammer and Vampirse are very much a part of that game. KoW is not warhammer and yes they have undead and 1 vampire but frankly; i personally find it uninteresting at best.
If you had read properly, a few lines later i state that anybody with any interest in vampires, warhammer and in this forum in general is always welcome to participate.
A subthread for KoW might be added to the forum but i doubt it has any added value.
Same goes for all other Tabletopsystems. You can expand this one forum into all the other games on the market but what is really the purpose.
AoS is warhammer and Vampirse are very much a part of that game. KoW is not warhammer and yes they have undead and 1 vampire but frankly; i personally find it uninteresting at best.
Hi Logan, my contention was only with your proposal, I think in general we're similarly minded. We agree that this isn't a time for division in the community and we're certainly both butthurt over GW selling us out!
I only disagree with curbing others' enthusiasm for AoS, and with making a single wargame the entire forum's focus. I'm not thrilled with the volume of AoS content and the commensurate reduction of contributions for 8th, but that's just the current trend; it's the big new thing and a lot of people are excited about it. All the more reason for the rest of us to contribute more content for 8th, and I'd argue other games and stuff in the outside world as well. Anything that enriches the forum.
My biggest concern is the idea that we can heal the perceived divide in the community by not sharing content on any other wargame than 8th or AoS. That kind of knee-jerk reaction will create a real rift in the community, with people forced to divide their time between forums for all their interests; that will reduce the time people have to make contributions of their own and will certainly set us all back. We may even lose some of our esteemed brethren if they feel not only disenfranchised by GW and robbed of 8th Edition, but also ostracised on this forum for moving in a different direction in response to GW pulling support for 8th.
In the end my position is that separate threads on the forum don't hurt anybody, they only serve to focus discussions and forewarn the uninterested of the content; the open minded can dip a toe and compare notes, maybe even see something they like. Far better than writing off a large chunk of the community in my opinion.
I have to say, I'm looking forward to seeing and hearing more from you about Warthrone, I wouldn't have heard anything about it without you!
I only disagree with curbing others' enthusiasm for AoS, and with making a single wargame the entire forum's focus. I'm not thrilled with the volume of AoS content and the commensurate reduction of contributions for 8th, but that's just the current trend; it's the big new thing and a lot of people are excited about it. All the more reason for the rest of us to contribute more content for 8th, and I'd argue other games and stuff in the outside world as well. Anything that enriches the forum.
My biggest concern is the idea that we can heal the perceived divide in the community by not sharing content on any other wargame than 8th or AoS. That kind of knee-jerk reaction will create a real rift in the community, with people forced to divide their time between forums for all their interests; that will reduce the time people have to make contributions of their own and will certainly set us all back. We may even lose some of our esteemed brethren if they feel not only disenfranchised by GW and robbed of 8th Edition, but also ostracised on this forum for moving in a different direction in response to GW pulling support for 8th.
In the end my position is that separate threads on the forum don't hurt anybody, they only serve to focus discussions and forewarn the uninterested of the content; the open minded can dip a toe and compare notes, maybe even see something they like. Far better than writing off a large chunk of the community in my opinion.
I have to say, I'm looking forward to seeing and hearing more from you about Warthrone, I wouldn't have heard anything about it without you!
Ol'Timer, I knew 2nd Edition was a departure from Rogue Trader but I never got to experience it, was it more tongue-in-cheek than future editions as well?
I came in with the first army books and codices and to be honest I look back on them as a golden age for quality and content, only surpassed by 8th and not entirely, maybe because I don't know any better!
As far as GW mandating their changes without reference to the community, I guess those of us still here are gluttons for punishment! I quit wargaming for years when I couldn't make the transition to 3rd and refused to buy 4th for 40k; I came back for Space Hulk 3rd Edition and before I knew it I was knee deep in toys! They take with one hand, but they give with the other...
I came in with the first army books and codices and to be honest I look back on them as a golden age for quality and content, only surpassed by 8th and not entirely, maybe because I don't know any better!
As far as GW mandating their changes without reference to the community, I guess those of us still here are gluttons for punishment! I quit wargaming for years when I couldn't make the transition to 3rd and refused to buy 4th for 40k; I came back for Space Hulk 3rd Edition and before I knew it I was knee deep in toys! They take with one hand, but they give with the other...
Skittelz1981
Varghulf
@Dragonet people are using multiple forums already, whats your point?
Most likely people that have switched armies or games have already let this forum out of their habitual visits
What youre saying is that there should be 1 forum for all tabletop wargaming where the entire tabletop community can share their beloved hobby altogether.
Nonsense imo, i dont mean to be rude but this forum was created for Vampirecounts/Undead within the Warhammer world. And that is what it should stay. People choose what they want to play and thats fine but keep a forum what it is intended for.
If i wanna go KoW, im pretty sure i can find a forum about that game and about a specific faction within their non-existant fluff to talk about tactics.
The whole idea behind creating separate forums is not to clot it with a whole bunch of other stuff.
@Blutsauger im pretty confident that you will continue to visit this forum and talk about VC/undead. since youre actiually a real GW/Warhammer fantasy afficionado. Which is the reason you have been playing WHFB despite the 8th edition rulebooks. Otherwise you wouldnt have bothered playing it and would have made the transition a long time ago to some other system.
Youre a Warhammer addict, dont deny it.
Most likely people that have switched armies or games have already let this forum out of their habitual visits
What youre saying is that there should be 1 forum for all tabletop wargaming where the entire tabletop community can share their beloved hobby altogether.
Nonsense imo, i dont mean to be rude but this forum was created for Vampirecounts/Undead within the Warhammer world. And that is what it should stay. People choose what they want to play and thats fine but keep a forum what it is intended for.
If i wanna go KoW, im pretty sure i can find a forum about that game and about a specific faction within their non-existant fluff to talk about tactics.
The whole idea behind creating separate forums is not to clot it with a whole bunch of other stuff.
@Blutsauger im pretty confident that you will continue to visit this forum and talk about VC/undead. since youre actiually a real GW/Warhammer fantasy afficionado. Which is the reason you have been playing WHFB despite the 8th edition rulebooks. Otherwise you wouldnt have bothered playing it and would have made the transition a long time ago to some other system.
Youre a Warhammer addict, dont deny it.
No offence taken Skittelz, and I'll stand corrected if a majority of the people on Carpe Noctem do post on multiple forums; for my part I barely have enough time to keep up on this one, and occasionally scan another unrelated forum for Dropzone news and tactics; if I had to check in on a separate forum for every faction of every game I play, I'd just go do something more fun instead, and I'd put money on others feeling and acting in a similar fashion.
I would suggest that the theme of Undead in wargaming is a sufficiently fine criteria around which other ideas can coalesce; I agree entirely that human, elf, dwarf, lizardmen, orc, ogre, daemon, even tomb kings players would not necessarily find a home here, but I fail to see how giving a werewolf fan the cold shoulder because they're not in our list helps anyone. Is it really so hard to pick through a few more thread titles to find subjects that interest you? There's plenty scope for refinement in the subforums. And think how many fewer thread titles you'll have to choose from if we do experience a brain drain from the defectors and the dejected leaving us. To date I only recall a single member hanging up his keyboard following GW dropping 8th.
As for the reason for this forum's existence, I would politely suggest that neither of us are suitably qualified to state categorically for what precisely this forum was created, but given that I understand its founder and chief benefactor to post as Disciple Of Nagash, I'd say you're on shaky ground there... More pertinently, isn't it logical for us to make of this forum what we agree to by consensus and with the permission of its owner and moderators?
I would suggest that the theme of Undead in wargaming is a sufficiently fine criteria around which other ideas can coalesce; I agree entirely that human, elf, dwarf, lizardmen, orc, ogre, daemon, even tomb kings players would not necessarily find a home here, but I fail to see how giving a werewolf fan the cold shoulder because they're not in our list helps anyone. Is it really so hard to pick through a few more thread titles to find subjects that interest you? There's plenty scope for refinement in the subforums. And think how many fewer thread titles you'll have to choose from if we do experience a brain drain from the defectors and the dejected leaving us. To date I only recall a single member hanging up his keyboard following GW dropping 8th.
As for the reason for this forum's existence, I would politely suggest that neither of us are suitably qualified to state categorically for what precisely this forum was created, but given that I understand its founder and chief benefactor to post as Disciple Of Nagash, I'd say you're on shaky ground there... More pertinently, isn't it logical for us to make of this forum what we agree to by consensus and with the permission of its owner and moderators?
AoS is not warhammer, it doesn't bear any resemblance to it at all, and only has a passing resemblance to it in terms of background.
KoW is more Warhammer than AoS is.
The game that this community grew around is gone. I mean obviously the books and stuff still exist and people will still get games in here and there, but we all know what happens to games when they become unofficial. Their active communities die off, and we only ever play them within a small select group of friends.
So effectively, WHFB 8th is gone. The entire reason this forum existed, is gone.
But the community that sprang up around that game continues to exist, for now.
AoS alone will not (IMO) be enough to keep this community going. I know I will absolutely stop visiting if the forum becomes dedicated to AoS and I know a lot of other users will as well.
So why push people into that situation? Why not allow the forum to have multiple sections for other games, so that everyone from the community can spend time in their own little section for tactics and rules, and then come together for background and painting?
@Blutsauger I think extra sub-forums is the most workable and long-term solution, and several people seem to be advocating such. However, I'd argue that, in the wake of Warhammer: Vampire Counts being either not a very well defined or appealing thing (in reference to AoS warscrolls) or an increasingly defunct label (i.e. WHFB), contrary to the dissolution of our community, it gives us the chance to broaden our perspective. Warhammer fantasy is still an established system- the rulebooks are still there and there will always be model proxies that can be used. In this case, we have the added ability to choose which version we play now, be it 8th, 6th, what have you.
Furthermore, the older specialist games are still around. Mordheim is still a great game, and if anything, being officially unsupported gives gamers so much more leeway and freedom with how they play the game, what content they choose to add/ignore, and what kind of community content is generated. I don't see that warhammer 8th becoming unsupported by GW makes it any less prominent amongst gaming clubs and the like. The only downside is that we can't play WHFB in GW stores any more (and, to be honest, who does that anyway). As far as I'm aware, tournaments aren't run by GW, they're run independently, and as such are free to use whichever rule set they choose.
I would maintain that although WHFB brought this community together for the most part, it exists now and the cessation of WHFB as a franchise is not a force that can make this community disappear. There will always be new projects and miniatures and games. Personally, the undead theme is just something that appeals to my imagination and the gritty warhammer world, whilst not being around anymore officially, still has an absolutely massive influence over the fantasy wargaming culture. It's a thing of the past now, but it's still part of wargame and miniature history.
I'd say that this gives us room to be far more creative than slavish adherence to a stock setting or fluff advocated by a corporation (I refer not only to GW but all miniature companies here, really, although GW is the main perpetrator). We can just make it up ourselves, surely? That's the thing that really gets me about RPG and wargame fans. If it's terrible, we can just take the bits we like and make it up ourselves. We really don't have to adhere to any particular system. You don't have to be a professional to write a balanced set of rules (I mean, that's one thing we know for SURE).
Furthermore, the older specialist games are still around. Mordheim is still a great game, and if anything, being officially unsupported gives gamers so much more leeway and freedom with how they play the game, what content they choose to add/ignore, and what kind of community content is generated. I don't see that warhammer 8th becoming unsupported by GW makes it any less prominent amongst gaming clubs and the like. The only downside is that we can't play WHFB in GW stores any more (and, to be honest, who does that anyway). As far as I'm aware, tournaments aren't run by GW, they're run independently, and as such are free to use whichever rule set they choose.
I would maintain that although WHFB brought this community together for the most part, it exists now and the cessation of WHFB as a franchise is not a force that can make this community disappear. There will always be new projects and miniatures and games. Personally, the undead theme is just something that appeals to my imagination and the gritty warhammer world, whilst not being around anymore officially, still has an absolutely massive influence over the fantasy wargaming culture. It's a thing of the past now, but it's still part of wargame and miniature history.
I'd say that this gives us room to be far more creative than slavish adherence to a stock setting or fluff advocated by a corporation (I refer not only to GW but all miniature companies here, really, although GW is the main perpetrator). We can just make it up ourselves, surely? That's the thing that really gets me about RPG and wargame fans. If it's terrible, we can just take the bits we like and make it up ourselves. We really don't have to adhere to any particular system. You don't have to be a professional to write a balanced set of rules (I mean, that's one thing we know for SURE).
I totally get what your saying and I can't really say I disagree. I honestly don't see what the appeal of AoS is apart from having the GW logo, I certainly think having separate sections would help, I honestly have no interest in reading anything about that joke of game nor have any interest reading threads about how it's the best thing since sliced bread.
Hopefully I can get some games of warthrone under my belt soon, joys of moving, I now have to find some local players who are interested in trying it out! I should also be having a game with Felix in the near future so I will be sure to get lots of pretty pictures of that
tomorrow I will working on finishing the Brets list I was writing warthrone, beastmen look to be shaping up nicely
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Skittelz1981
Varghulf
Once again you fail to properly read.
I never advocated narrowing down to AoS. I advocate to keep this Warhammer mainly. Which includes AoS, 8th ed and all the others + everything that has to do with the hobby in general.
If theres a subthread somewhere on the forum for members of this forum about KoW, thats perfectly possible. But keep it as a subthread. Where it belongs.
You claim that AoS isnt Warhammer, well wake up dude. it is warhammer. Its the only official Warhammer Fantasy. You not liking it has nothing to do with anything. like i said before, stop the whining about AoS. Play whatever you want but keep discussions about other games where they belong; in their subthreads.
All these lengthy posts about opinions of which gamesystem > the other is really irrelevant. You like KoW, i would never touch it. I like 8th ed, you didnt but still played it. I like AoS, you prefer KoW.
Fact in this, is that i will stick to the AoS/8th ed. part of this forum and you will then most likely stick to the KoW part, effectively making our meeting on this forum far more scarce.
Is there then such a big difference between separate forums or separate parts of 1 forum.
Theres people posting in the Art section here that i dont know, simply because they never partake in the discussions about tactics or in these topics here.
Having a KoW subthread will simply create a subgroup of people that dont mingle with the others (besides the ones that do) How is that even relevant?
Im completely fine with a KoW-section if a part of the members wants that, im not stopping you or anybody.
I never advocated narrowing down to AoS. I advocate to keep this Warhammer mainly. Which includes AoS, 8th ed and all the others + everything that has to do with the hobby in general.
If theres a subthread somewhere on the forum for members of this forum about KoW, thats perfectly possible. But keep it as a subthread. Where it belongs.
You claim that AoS isnt Warhammer, well wake up dude. it is warhammer. Its the only official Warhammer Fantasy. You not liking it has nothing to do with anything. like i said before, stop the whining about AoS. Play whatever you want but keep discussions about other games where they belong; in their subthreads.
All these lengthy posts about opinions of which gamesystem > the other is really irrelevant. You like KoW, i would never touch it. I like 8th ed, you didnt but still played it. I like AoS, you prefer KoW.
Fact in this, is that i will stick to the AoS/8th ed. part of this forum and you will then most likely stick to the KoW part, effectively making our meeting on this forum far more scarce.
Is there then such a big difference between separate forums or separate parts of 1 forum.
Theres people posting in the Art section here that i dont know, simply because they never partake in the discussions about tactics or in these topics here.
Having a KoW subthread will simply create a subgroup of people that dont mingle with the others (besides the ones that do) How is that even relevant?
Im completely fine with a KoW-section if a part of the members wants that, im not stopping you or anybody.
Pirate Robot Ninja of Death
Vampire Thrall
Age of Sigmar isn't Warhammer either. It bears a passing resemblance, due to being produced by the same company and being tangentially related in terms of fluff. However at its core it is not the game that this community was built around. Not even close.
Keeping this forum "just about Age of Sigmar" might be great for those people, like you, who have embraced the new game. But what of the rest of us? Those who are still on the fence? Those who are jumping ship, but don't really have a place to go? What of our painting logs, and the accumulated collective wisdom in respect of painting and modelling, alternative miniatures, and the like? All of that has value to the community going forward, no matter what game we decide to use our models for.
And most of all, it costs you and yours nothing. Or, at least nothing material.
@Skittelz1981 I take your point about there being little distinction between a separate sub-forum and an altogether different domain, but I would still advocate a single large forum domain united by the fact that this community already exists around a common theme in which we are all interested, with smaller sub-forums detailing different rule sets. It gives a lot of mobility to users without too much hassle searching and trawling google for results, in that if they feel inclined to browse a different section of the forum to see what users there are doing, it can be done with ease. Of course, I'm not an admin so I can't speak for the logistics of doing something like that, but I would support it purely on the basis of promoting community and cohesion.
Why doesn't it belong as a sub-forum, on equal footing as AoS?
It's the only thing GW is producing, but it is not Warhammer. It is a totally new game, with new background. It is not a new edition of the game that this community sprang from, so why should this community adopt it carte blanche? Because you think we should? Because it's a GW game?
You're going to have to do a lot better than that.
I'm glad to hear it.
I see what skittlez is saying. We DO have to remember AOS, regardless of our thoughts IS warhammer. Blunts auger said it perfectly it's not the same game, but it's what we have to move forward with. As it grows, it to will change into something differnt. The question here is where do we go from here? I personally think it can stay as is with minimal changes. Do we drop all of the WHFB stuff. No. Do we include it with the new AOS yes. Can we talk about other systems yes. Should we set up whole new pages for each.... Meh, I say no. This board will and should be a GW boar as of now. The owners and controllers will decide if it will turn into something eles.
Nah, there's hundreds of different games out there we can move forward with.
Yes, Age of Sigmar is Warhammer but it is not Warhammer fantasy. Therefore saying that it is the new Warhammer fanatsy is incorrect; GW killed Warhammer Fantasy and made a new game. If Age of Sigmar was Warhammer Fantasy it would be called Warhammer Fantasy 9th edition not Warhammer Age of Sigmar.
I think it's fair to say that we are broadly in agreement that the community would not only tolerate but wish to see a place on the forum for other wargames in which Umdead are represented in some form.
That only really leaves us with the question, do they warrant subforums or will their current representation in the threads suffice?
I think it would be reasonable to assume that the forum was originally established without other wargames in mind, perhaps at a time when those wargames were not well known to most hobbyists, and wouldn't have been viable alternatives? This informs my position that although support of GW for better or worse is clearly here to stay, overt rejection of other systems is certainly not.
The way I see it, subforums at worst might irk a few GW loyalists, but will they leave? I really don't see it. At best this small change to the status quo could support existing members that are genuinely affected by GW pulling 8th, bring more traffic to the site and thus more interest to 8th and AoS as well. It's also a less partisan policy, which appeals to me.
Whatever you guys decide to do, I think we can at least rest assured that there won't be a forum-wide purge for thoughtcrimes against GW, nor a mass exodus of tearful haters burning their old rulebooks as they log out for the last time. I think we're going to be okay!
That only really leaves us with the question, do they warrant subforums or will their current representation in the threads suffice?
I think it would be reasonable to assume that the forum was originally established without other wargames in mind, perhaps at a time when those wargames were not well known to most hobbyists, and wouldn't have been viable alternatives? This informs my position that although support of GW for better or worse is clearly here to stay, overt rejection of other systems is certainly not.
The way I see it, subforums at worst might irk a few GW loyalists, but will they leave? I really don't see it. At best this small change to the status quo could support existing members that are genuinely affected by GW pulling 8th, bring more traffic to the site and thus more interest to 8th and AoS as well. It's also a less partisan policy, which appeals to me.
Whatever you guys decide to do, I think we can at least rest assured that there won't be a forum-wide purge for thoughtcrimes against GW, nor a mass exodus of tearful haters burning their old rulebooks as they log out for the last time. I think we're going to be okay!
Skittelz1981
Varghulf
Yes, and it is Warhammer as GW decided it to be now. Again, your interpretation or wishes are irrelevant. This is now Warhammer Fantasy, like it or not. It is Warhammer and has the same lore, matter of fact, its the continuation of the timeline after the End Times, which preluded the destruction of the world as we knew it.
So this forum should have hundreds of subforums on equal footing as with what it all started with and is meant to support? Sorry but i dont agree. It is very clear that this forum is pretty much centered on anything Warhammer with a focus on the Vampire/Undead part of it. Hell, the name of the owner isnt suggesting anything else; Disciple of Nagash....
We can all agree to giving a place to other systems since were all gamers and why the hell not. But it sure isnt on equal footing, it would just very much depend on the amount of visitors. Why should KoW have a subforum and not warthrone or starwars.... Thats debates without end. It really has no place on vampirecounts.net.
It takes a single look at the disclaimer at the bottom of the main page to notice what this forum is intended for: GW.
KoW etc, it would be subthreads in a subforum titled: 'Other gamesystems' with each gamesystem having its according thread.
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Nah. It's got 'warhammer' in the title, but so does 40k. AoS has nothing to do with Warhammer. If Warhammer is dead (and it is) then we need to decide how to carry on. Insisting the site focuses on AoS just because it shares the Warhammer name, and all other games should miss out is needlessly restrictive.
Skittelz1981
Varghulf
I think regardless of the labels we apply to the aforementioned game systems, they are distinct from one another. We can agree on that, surely? And since WHFB is no longer in production by GW and AoS is, there is little argument to be made as to which counts as the official and contemporary GW product now. I would argue that, as a spiritual successor to WHFB, it stands, but rules-wise it is very different. Make of that what you will but, either way, arguing semantics means little of any consequence.
What's more, I'm of the mind that forums like this exist to facilitate the desires of the community at large. In light of this, it would make sense that there should continue to be a warhammer 8th forum, as well as a separate AoS forum, along with KoW and whatever else the community might desire. The question then turns to logistics and the ease of facilitation, which I am not qualified to comment on. The primacy of any game system over another is up for debate at this time, but since games like AoS and KoW are both officially supported and developing games, it makes sense to give them more focus. Warhammer is now, in the eyes of its makers, an entirely closed and completed system and won't be modified in the future. It's not dead, it's just finished. Rounded off.
All in all, I'd echo what @Dragonet says. I think the forum will be fine in either case, and people will still discuss what they wish to. The community might change over time, but that's not something we can stop. It will evolve to conform with the current wargaming culture, but for now we have an interesting opportunity to speculate on and discus the future of that culture and this community. let's not let the discussion deteriorate into quibbling over labels. Legitimate or not, it doesn't help to progress ideas.
What's more, I'm of the mind that forums like this exist to facilitate the desires of the community at large. In light of this, it would make sense that there should continue to be a warhammer 8th forum, as well as a separate AoS forum, along with KoW and whatever else the community might desire. The question then turns to logistics and the ease of facilitation, which I am not qualified to comment on. The primacy of any game system over another is up for debate at this time, but since games like AoS and KoW are both officially supported and developing games, it makes sense to give them more focus. Warhammer is now, in the eyes of its makers, an entirely closed and completed system and won't be modified in the future. It's not dead, it's just finished. Rounded off.
All in all, I'd echo what @Dragonet says. I think the forum will be fine in either case, and people will still discuss what they wish to. The community might change over time, but that's not something we can stop. It will evolve to conform with the current wargaming culture, but for now we have an interesting opportunity to speculate on and discus the future of that culture and this community. let's not let the discussion deteriorate into quibbling over labels. Legitimate or not, it doesn't help to progress ideas.