Heinrich as General?

[Medusas Guild]

I am considering taking Henrich and Krell, but his Ld is less than Krell's. Do I need to take another lord that tops thiers with the Vamp lore, or is the fact that he has the Vamp lore overide the main rulebooks need for highest Ld for general?

Thanks for the help!

Jay

 

[The Night Masquerade]

I am considering taking Henrich and Krell, but his Ld is less than Krell's. Do I need to take another lord that tops thiers with the Vamp lore, or is the fact that he has the Vamp lore overide the main rulebooks need for highest Ld for general?

Thanks for the help!

Jay

This is a good one. Look at Kemmler's Ld on the GW website... it's a 9! So my suggestion; if your opponent agrees that the Kemmler's LD in our Army book is an error, you could effectively use the Kemmler -Krell combination. If you stll had to field an extra Vampire Lord, the "forced" combination gets ridiciously expensive.

 

[Medusas Guild]

I see that; that is odd! In 2500 I wouldnt want another full Lord. I dont like to run that much in characters.

I was hoping "The General" in our book would overide what the army book says.

Jay

 

[Lynks]

there is also leadership 9 on one of the pages in the book itself, and special characters usually have +1 leadership over their normal type when they are in a leadership role (like kemmler is)

 

[Lord Roke]

Also our book states that our general must take the Lore of Vampires, thus ruling Krell out even if his Leadership was higher.

 

[blue loki]

That's the whole point though. If Krell is the Lord/Hero choice in your list with the highest Leadership value, then your list is invalid. The Lord/Hero with the highest Leadership MUST be the General, and if that model cannot be the General you must rework your list.

 

[Medusas Guild]

I see where it's listed as 9 also in the book. That's enough to go to the toureny organizers and ask to allow using him as my General.

Thanks for the helpfellow crypt-keepers!!

Jay

 

[Velmates]

Why is the list invalid? Normally the general is the model with the highest LD. The restrictions for undead states that your general has to be a wizard. This excludes banshees, cairn wraiths and Wight kings... If Kemmler is the wizard with the highest LD, he is the general. No? Is the rule additional? So that your model with he highest LD has to be a wizard too? Would be stupid since you couldn't use a necro and a Wight king in low point games...

 

[Johnny-Crass]

That's the whole point though. If Krell is the Lord/Hero choice in your list with the highest Leadership value, then your list is invalid. The Lord/Hero with the highest Leadership MUST be the General, and if that model cannot be the General you must rework your list.

This is wrong. If your BSB has the highest LD in your army then he can not be the general because of legal restrictions. It is the same with Vampire generals. It does not matter what your LD is if you can not meet the legal requirement to be a Vampire Counts general.

 

[Smogg]

Yeah. It's the same as the Dark Elf assassin.
He has leadership 10 and a special rule stating he can never be the general.
But you can of course still have general with lower leadership that the Assassin, even though the core rules state that the char with the highest leadership must be general.

Same way Vampire Counts have a special rule not allowing Krell to be general.
But you can of course still have a general with lower leadership that Krell, even though the core rules state that the char with the highest leadership must be general.

 

[Tou84]

if a death hag (ld9) is taken as a bsb (cauldron of blood)

can you name the sorceress that has a ld of 8 to be the army's general?

 

[Artiee]

Yes. Because the BSB can not be the general.

 

[Questioner]

Unless it is a Slann Mage Priest.

 

[Melle]

I don't see the issue with kemmler as general with ld9, in troop reference summary and bestiary he has ld 8,
but in the army list and gw's url he has 9.
where he has ld 9 is where you pay 350 pts for him, so that's what I'd use.
your general has to be a wizard, and he must have the lore of the vampires. of these wizards the one with the highest ld must be the general.
in my book, taking a vamp lord with death, or shadow disqualifies him as general, so the master necro with vampire lore is general. unfortunately noone else reads it like this, but instead forces the vamp lord to take vamp lore, cuz he has highest ld....

 

[Bloody Maria]

I don't see the issue with kemmler as general with ld9, in troop reference summary and bestiary he has ld 8,
but in the army list and gw's url he has 9.
where he has ld 9 is where you pay 350 pts for him, so that's what I'd use.
your general has to be a wizard, and he must have the lore of the vampires. of these wizards the one with the highest ld must be the general.
in my book, taking a vamp lord with death, or shadow disqualifies him as general, so the master necro with vampire lore is general. unfortunately noone else reads it like this, but instead forces the vamp lord to take vamp lore, cuz he has highest ld....

I have to correct you on that last bit:
Your general must be a wizard that can use 'Lore of the Vampires' and must choose it as his lore if he is able to do so.
So a Vampire Lord, being as LD 10, has the highest leadership in your army and is a wizard that can use lore of the vampires, so he -MUST- use the lore.
It's stated in the Army Special Rules under the section 'the generals of undeath'.

If you're running 2 vampire lords, then 1 of them can choose a different lore, as you only need 1 character with the highest leadership to apply for general and having to take the lore of vampires.