Help me pick a CSM list!

[Vicious Whisper]

So I've decided to write up 2 lists based off of some ideas I looked at, and realize they mostly consist cult troops I really like the look of, but still want it competitive (so not totally "pure" armies).

Thought maybe you guys could help me out with that. Both 1500pt lists.


NURGLE LIST
HQ
2x Demon Prince (MoS, wings, lash)

TROOP:
7x Plague marine (rhino, A.Champ, Fist, Meltax2)
7x Plague marine (rhino, A.Champ, Fist, Meltax2)
7x Plague marine (rhino, A.Champ, Fist, Meltax2)

Heavy:
x3 Vindicator (D.possession)


KHORNE LIST
HQ
1x DP (wings, warptime)
1x DP (MoS, wings, lash)

TROOP:
8x Zerker (rhino, S.champ, melta bomb, Fist)
8x Zerker (rhino, S.champ, melta bomb, Fist)
8x Zerker (rhino, S.champ, Fist)

Heavy:
x2 Oblit
x2 Oblit
x1 Defiler (ccw x2)

 

[Count Darvaleth]

I prefer list 2, but I think there's more you could do. The Khorne zerkers fill in assault perfectly well, so that's fine, but the lashing needs more "umph". Only 4 Oblits firing plasma cannons will make less lashing.

I'd say take 2 lashers, the zerkers, and as many oblits as you can.

 

[Vicious Whisper]

Alrighty, so 2 lash princes and 3 sets of 2 oblits. Oh boy, people are going to smell this cheddar coming form a mile away!

 

[Sweeney Todd]

Well, 2 Lash Princes, maxed out Oblits and Plague Marines for Troops is the stereotypical 'maximum cheese' CSM list that was partly responsible for causing the mass shift to mech lists towards the end of 4ed. Your list isn't too far from that.

I understand that you want a competitive list, but that does not necessitate a cheddar spam approach. Do note that you're likely to get 'dinged' in the eyes of many people if you play such a list. If you know that the guys around your area are cool with this, or if you don't care, then go ahead.

 

[Count Darvaleth]

It depends what you want to with it. I saw your two lists, and guessed from them that you didn't mind exuding an aroma of a well-known, gold/cream-coloured source of nutrition. If this is the case, then why not go for it?

But otherwise, if you want a less of an aroma...(blah blah)...of nutrition, a list I've always wanted to try was a Khorne-heavy list, with Zerkers in Rhinos, Kharne, and possibly a flying DP providing close-support, or even a flying Lord with Khorne DW. It would hit very hard, especially with some terminator support, or perhaps some close-supporting Thousand Sons to take out armoured foes.

But then again, I'm not sure they'd be as successful as the aroma of...cheese. *shudders at the bluntness of the term*

 

[Vicious Whisper]

Actually after some thought I've decided to try out the nurgle list first since I'm alittle bigger on poppa nurgle fluff and almost everyone I've approached tend to think it's the more balanced of the two (or maybe they're just afraid of THE CHEESE!).

Anyway, never too late to go back to Count Darvaleth's suggestion if I start losing too many games .

You from sg Sweeney? If so maybe we could try a couple of games once my orders arrive!

 

[Sweeney Todd]

You from sg Sweeney? If so maybe we could try a couple of games once my orders arrive!

Sure. PMed you already.

 

[Ferrum]

Your nurgle list isn't exactly going to be a push over though! Plague marines are amazingly tough on paper and even tougher in reality. My friend who plays berserker heavy charged my squad of 7 PMs with 7 zerkers and my men both survived the ordeal and ended up killing all the berserkers.

Despite this id recommend mounting them in rhinos, because one battle cannon can still wipe them off the face of the earth....at least in a rhino they'll have a chance of escaping!

Also with the 3 vindicators, you might want to think about swapping one or two out, they are very slow and short ranged, so they'll be great targets for just about anything with range, even with possession they are at risk. Personally I run two squads of havocs with autocannons, these guys are brutally effective against infantry, MCs, and even some tanks.

That's just my two cents, sorry for all the text

 

[Vicious Whisper]

Yep all of em are mounted in rhinos, I'll probably be pushing them towards my opponent, rot wall formation then make a mad dash for objectives at turn 4.

As for triple vindicators, I kinda like the psychological effect of maxing them, plus it kinda fits the fluff. Death guards are famed for slow advances and getting stuck in. But if Nurgle wills, them templates will be flying over anyone or anything, regardless of sides, and that will probably make for some good laughs.

Well if it doesn't work out I will probably swap one out for a long ranged heavy.

 

[Ferrum]

Yeah I can picture the face of your opponent when three vindicators are placed upon the table. Then you say "yeah. I just did that." haha epic.

In terms of fluff I'd love to see the background behind two lash princes leading a nurgle army I'm sure it'll be very creative!

Please post a battle rep asap!

Just remember...with Nurgle and Vampires....your victory is as inevitable as death.

 

[Vicious Whisper]

Haha no fluff behind those two I'm afraid. If I'm playing to win it's lashes, if I'm up against friendlier lists or non competitive setting, it's MoN & wings.

I doubt Nurgle will be as killy as great weapon grave guards, but I'm sure they'll be as tar pitty as clinch summon zombies with helm of crack's ws7 :zombie:

 

[Ferrum]

Exactly! And, and the vindicators with lash are your hammer. Thats a pretty similar set up, powerful units that excel with lord assistance! Just don't be afraid to charge with your plague marines, in fact I'd charge whenever you can especially if you have the opportunity to "steal the charge" for example, 10 berserkers run up but are 9 inches out. So. Next turn shoot one shot per rapid fire weapon and then assault, the berserkers will have a hard time punching through T4 3+ and FnP. Plus they'll be fighting on their heels.

Good luck!