Incoming! Warhammer 8th edition is official.

[Count Erick]

I don't think they could release the beastmen book without putting the usual force organisation charts in it, so they could waste a few pages or not release a new book for 6 months before a new rulebook which will lose them more money.

They released the Daemons of Chaos book for 40K with 5th edition rules in it before 5th edition had even been released. Why would they do this for daemons, but not Beastmen?

I have to disagree with that VC are no more hero-reliant than other armies. You can hardly count on our Core to hold against much by themselves. You can fight 'Dragons-demons-trolls' with the same, but VC have less of that compared to other armies hence the heroes carrying more of the weight. Also, GW obviously wants to push Vampires(as in the Vamps themselves), as Necromancers can only be level 1 wizards.

Exactly.
Skeletons with Hand Weapon, Shield, Light Armour is twice the points of a Goblin with the same equipment, but the Gobo has twice the LD.
Granted the Skeleton has Unbreakable and Fear (and Crumble) on its side, but that means NOTHING if you cant win combats.
How do we win combats with Skeletons? We add a Vampire. And, if the new rules about only units with standards being able to capture objectives are true, you going to be seeing a lot more of skeletons now.

 

[Danceman]

Granted the fact we never run, can multi-cast our movement spell, heal up(and prepare flank/rear charges) does give us an edge. Our special choices are are all solid and our rares adds alot to our army too. A strong lore and good magic item selection.

If this 2D6 dice + level of wizard is true our Vampire Lord will become even more versitile than he or she was before. Able to wield a magic phase on its own and thanks to the multicast nature of our lore will be able to make use of every single dice. I see this a huge buff for our lord choice character.

It is true we won't have the same amount of characters as before but I am not phased at all. Like I said before we got a solid special/rare selection. We quite simply have to adapt into performing more multicharges to win the day. In the changes of fear and terror adding CR modifications I can see some really devastating charges. Add in the horde rules and "step up" rule, spears, helm of command, etc etc. I like the sound of fear doing more than just a test/autobreak. Fear and terror will actually be alot more useful for our 'fighty' units.

In short, I am not going to lose any sleep over these changes.

 

[Lord Reginer]

When it comes to Chaos Dwarves I will believe it when I see it So many rumours about them as it is.............

How about the chaos dwarves event at games 2010. Kinda odd to have an event for an army that dosn't exist. Oh they will be back, phalic hats who can say but short pissed off stunies oh yea , oh yea

Add to that, you notice how many times they've been mentioned in fluff lately.. they are appearing in just about every army book.

 

[Johnny B]

I think VCs will be fine in 8th. A lot of items that seem overpowered currently (Drakenhoff Banner, Helm of Commandment etc) make a lot of sense when the 8th ed changes are taken into consideration, as does stacking combat resolution and Terror. Also, the rumour that armour saves aren't modified until Strength 5 makes Skeletons' points cost make more sense too. I'm gonna build some Skellies

I highly doubt there will be a character cap of 25%. It makes things like Dragon Riders and Special Characters unusable, and GW wouldn't do that. If there is a cap, I see 50% being far more likely than 25%.

Or the standard game size will increase. Sounds more likely to me.

its like they are just quickly pumping out rulesets with random new and past rules and seeing what it works.

No, I actually think they have thought about this an awful lot. For once.

Chaos Dwarves...Oh they will be back

Count on it

 

[Onikaigo]

I think VCs will be fine in 8th. A lot of items that seem overpowered currently (Drakenhoff Banner, Helm of Commandment etc) make a lot of sense when the 8th ed changes are taken into consideration, as does stacking combat resolution and Terror. Also, the rumour that armour saves aren't modified until Strength 5 makes Skeletons' points cost make more sense too. I'm gonna build some Skellies grin

Good thing I've got 90 somewhere in my room. ^_^ Makes me a happy Lahmian.

Or the standard game size will increase. Sounds more likely to me.

Again, I like it. More troops, I say!

No, I actually think they have thought about this an awful lot. For once.

as much as I'd like to agree with you and make my post a Triptych of praise, I'll reserve judgment. GW has not impressed me with their game Balancing stratagems. We'll see.


But, YES! Bigger games, more troops. I'm into that. I've got 90 Skeletons and 40 Ghouls + a whole lot of Zombies that are begging to hit the field at once.

 

[Johnny B]

I've got 90 Skeletons and 40 Ghouls + a whole lot of Zombies that are begging to hit the field at once.

Sadly I don't... and will have to equip all my Skellies with Jingasa and Samurai armour... and perhaps sashimono too... why do I do this to myself...

 

[Capt Rubber Ducky]

I was just wondering, someone said it would be 500+ pages long which is quite a lot longer, does this mean there going to stick the price up over the last book because they've filled it with 200 pages of whatever (probably rubish)?

 

[Trevy the Great]

If the page length does indeed turn out to be that long, I'm sure the price will rise considerably. Games-Workshop will find any excuse to scrape money out of their fans.
I seriously that the new book will be anywhere near 500 pages, however. The last thing Games-Workshop wants to do is put people off of their game by plunking a text-book in front of them and making them read before they can say "I already graduated High School."

 

[Onikaigo]

Ugh, that's going to make my job hard. =/ I wanna know what's different about it the day I get it. So I was planning on a furious day of note taking and study, but...500 pages? ARG.

Please, please no. Save my Sanity GW...Wait. you took that a long while back. Save me from my homicidal rampage against your HQ! save yourselves, Men!

 

[artisturn]

There is a thread on warseer speculating what the 528 page book will contain.

I just hope the price of the book won't be too outlandish.


As for the 8th edition I am excited and ready for change.

 

[Trevy the Great]

If it is 500+ pages (which I doubt), GW will probably charge you a great deal for the 300 pages of fluff and background thrown in there as well.
Hopefully you can skip that on your day of notetaking, Oni!

 

[Count Erick]

Or the standard game size will increase. Sounds more likely to me.

That will make it harder on new players starting out...unless GW has a noticeable price decrease on their troops...lol

 

[Sweeney Todd]

Or the standard game size will increase. Sounds more likely to me.

That will make it harder on new players starting out...unless GW has a noticeable price decrease on their troops...lol

This is exactly how they increase their flow of revenue isn't it, by forcing everyone to buy more stuff? The hard sell is nothing new coming from GW. Not that it's necessarily a bad thing for those of us who already have a sizable collection, mind.

 

[Disciple of Nagash]

But if they are trying to make the games bigger, whilst yes it will cost more, it will hopefully lead to bigger and better looking armies, with more infantry. It's a bit sad sometimes to see 2K+ armies that hardly have any models.

Personally after reading it all through again I am quite looking forward to it. I was never fond of the 7th edition, and the changes are reminiscent of the 4th edition, which apart from the OP heroes, was the best time for warhammer to be.

I am sure however much we get nerfed at the start, when the new army book comes out it will amend it......*looks at previous O&G book*........well hopefully.

 

[Mr Saturday]

The most consistent thing about these rumours is that the changes will be big. The massive rulebook sounds intriguing. With GW's penchant for supersizing everything lately (War of the Ring, Apocalypse, Planetary Invasions etc) I'd say it will be keyed toward armies with lots of models, and with the potential for new ways to play, which would require yet more models (siege etc). So more infantry. I've never been a fan of the unstoppable hero. Give me horde of skeletons that NEVER stop trying to kill you any old day. That's a good thing in my book, but the rumours are so many that I think I'll wait to see the O&G book, which may yield some info on how GW are going with the new rules.

As was mentioned, if naval and siege rules are included I'd say they are lifted in part from WAB. It would be a great excuse for GW to bring out army specific siege engines, war machines, siege troops (Storm of Chaos anyone?) ships, and so on. More revenue for GW, 'It's our biggest plastic kit ever!' and let's be honest, who wouldn't get excited by the thought of huge bone siege towers rumbling toward the enemy castle?

So, throwing my hat in the political ring, I'm excited. There.

Now, let's have them Chaos Dwarves. Gimme gimme.

 

[Pulimuli]

Let's hope to god they make a new Mannfred model for the 8th edition cause the current one is so godawful!!

 

[Yanda]

Let's hope to god they make a new Mannfred model for the 8th edition cause the current one is so godawful!!

im actually hoping we get away from the von car steins and follow a new leader

 

[Ghouly]

I am sure however much we get nerfed at the start, when the new army book comes out it will amend it......*looks at previous O&G book*........well hopefully.

Whats wrong with the Orcs and Goblins :'(

 

[nicklegit]

i dig the von carstein models, they look pretty legit, anyways im pretty new to VC and have only played about 4 battles and won them all, but i do relly on characters and if they are 25% I really wouldnt know what i would change yet. Hopefully nothing crappy happens with the new edition

 

[Disciple of Nagash]

I mean that because of the previous book getting too many complaints of being OP, their current book was nerfed to high hell when it was released.

 

[Count Erick]

This is exactly how they increase their flow of revenue isn't it, by forcing everyone to buy more stuff? The hard sell is nothing new coming from GW. Not that it's necessarily a bad thing for those of us who already have a sizable collection, mind.

I was being facetious.

Though in all seriousness, a price reduction in their model range, while coupled with an increase in the total number of models needed could provide more revenue for them than selling fewer, higher priced models.

 

[Sweeney Todd]

This is exactly how they increase their flow of revenue isn't it, by forcing everyone to buy more stuff? The hard sell is nothing new coming from GW. Not that it's necessarily a bad thing for those of us who already have a sizable collection, mind.

I was being facetious.

Though in all seriousness, a price reduction in their model range, while coupled with an increase in the total number of models needed could provide more revenue for them than selling fewer, higher priced models.

Heh, then I look like a fool for taking the whole thing seriously eh?

A price reduction coming from GW, who have been steadily increasing their prices over the years, is unthinkable. It'd be like betting on an American soccer team winning the English Premier League. For a contrasting example Battlefront Miniatures, the company that does Flames of War, recently reduced their prices in the Euro zone. Their prices have stayed the same over the years too AFAIK. Such is the benefits of playing a game system done by a company that actually cares.

 

[Sanai]

Games Workshop is a company that cares. (About making money)
Give them some credit however, they gave us warhammer, and 40k, and continue to do so.
So forgive me if I do not villify and demonise Games Workshop.

 

[Aegis]

Games Workshop is a company that cares. (About making money)
Give them some credit however, they gave us warhammer, and 40k, and continue to do so.
So forgive me if I do not villify and demonise Games Workshop.

Implying that all of those aren't *completely* ripped off other genres with some shiney bits installed on them. =p

 

[Mr Saturday]

Implying that all of those aren't *completely* ripped off other genres with some shiney bits installed on them. =p

In fairness though, (corporate cynicism aside) those bits are VERY shiny.