Johnny's Non-VC Army Lists

[xFallenx]

As it's a ward for both the dragon & rider till it pops, it's a risk I'd take.

These are the Dragons I was thinking of running at 2,500:

~ Dred on Black Dragon with Armour of Destiny , Dawnstone, Whip of Agony, shield & SDC. 299pts + Dragon cost.
5 S5 re-rollable AP attacks (Whip) , 2+ re-rollable AS(Dawnstone) & 4+ Ward.
Unfortunately the dragon only has a 3+ scaly skin (Which I have to look at closer)so I may need to make room for the iron curse to at least give him a 6+ from WM's.

Your build has me seriously looking at the crown, as the first build requires combined attacks with my CoK bus(bsb). The CoC will allow him to go off on his own:
CoC, Ring of Darkness (All cc directed @ model are at ½ WS, all shooting is at ½ BS), & 1 of the following:
Cloak of Hag Graef (All missile attacks(magic with str characteristic) on char are at ½ str) or
Whip of Agony: +1 A, -1AS & Str 5.

I'm more worried about WM's then I am about flaming attacks. 2 Hell Blaster's, 2 Hell Canons, 8-12 Lead Belchers & Skaven gunline(ratlings, warp fire/grinders, Jezzails, Globeadiers & lightning canon). I'll have to follow up on these to see if they cause flaming attacks before I completely discount the Dragon helm.

 

[Johnny-Crass]

Hellcannons shots are flaming

And yeah if you charge a dragon lord into a unit he will loose to the champ the first round. Stubborn makes sure you dont loose your uber lord the first round. Also I am finding more and more that making the dragon lord go before the elf is almost always better.

 

[Johnny-Crass]

Tournament tomorrow. So freaking stokes!

 

[Yorga]

Hellcannons shots are flaming

No. It's not.

 

[Johnny-Crass]

Yorga I will be staying after the coc so if I dont see you at the winners table we could grab a fast game.

 

[Yorga]

Yorga I will be staying after the coc so if I dont see you at the winners table we could grab a fast game.

That's a negative for a couple reasons my friend. 1) The events of today have totally killed my passion to play.:'( 2) IF I do make the drive up, I'll be going out to dinner with my Team Misfire buds. We usually hit Outback.

If I come I will bring some of my recent painted stuff to show you. Kinda proud of it.

 

[Johnny-Crass]

What happened today

 

[Yorga]

What happened today

DUDE! Do you freaking live under a rock? :O Just log onto MSN. Or turn on the damn TV.

 

[Johnny-Crass]

Oh yeah that. Things like that dont really touch me personally as I am not a parent. Its tragic yes but I am not really shaken up.

 

[Yorga]

Oh yeah that. Things like that dont really touch me personally as I am not a parent. Its tragic yes but I am not really shaken up.

Well...you really only need to be a human being to be touched by such senseless violence. Maybe since I have had to hold the hand of so many mothers who had loved ones murdered I am overly sensitive? I don't know. Anyway, It was good to at least visit today and grats on your two wins.

 

[Count Matthewzilla]

Hey Johnny. What's the strength of a beastman army. I asked at the local FLGS, and poked over on 1d4 chan and a lot of people seem to think they and by association their units suck balls. I may be getting a battalion for xmas and was curios.

 

[Johnny-Crass]

Hatred and Magic. Beastmen rely on their buffs and primal fury to win fights. Unsupported beastmen core does suck but add in a mindrazor/wildform/206 and you will start cooking with gas. All the rares do suck though and the beastmen battalion will see everything used.

 

[Johnny-Crass]

Here is my most recent Chaos Dwarf list. I always love feedback.

Sorcerer Prophet 375
Lvl 4 Metal
Charmed Shield
Tali Pres
Dispel Scroll

Infernal Castellan 202
BSB
Mask of the Furnace
Warriorbane
Shield

10 Infernal Guard 180
Muso
Fireglaives + Shields

27 Infernal Guard 482
Great Weapons + Shields
Full Command
Warbanner

Iron Daemon 310
Hellbound

6 Fireborn 340
Manburner

Chaos Siege Giant 300
Runes of Hate

Kdaii Destroyer XXX

Total: 2499
Drops: 7

Made some fun changes to this list

 

[Seneschal]

@Matthewzilla Use multiple units of raiders and become an expert in diverting. 50 gors, 40 bestigors tend to be the backbone of the army.

 

[Count Matthewzilla]

Thank guys. Are the chariots good. How about the minotaurs?

The rares seem a smidge over costed.

 

[Count Matthewzilla]

Can you make me a beast man list for perusal Johnny? Oh, pretty please?

 

[Seneschal]

No one takes the rares. Some people are trying out the jabber again in lists with a flying doombull.
Tuskgor chariots can be good although a lot of folks don't like them. Razorgor chariots are pretty sweet with T5 and 5W.
The minobus (unit of them with full command and 3 characters who use the make way rule) is a proven build. On their own, a unit of 8 with champ and ASF sword/frenzy sword can work on a flank but be mindful of their leadership issues.

 

[Zanos]

I'm wondering what the most sickening list possible is for Lizardmen? We're talking sick enough to make Skaven players treat me like Matt Ward.

 

[Seneschal]

Slann, Death, extra D6, immune to non magical attacks
Slann, BSB, General, Metal, becalming cognition
Skink Priest, cube of darkness
Scarvet, Cold one, GW, LA, charmed shield, 4+ ward
Scarvet, Cold one, sheild, LA, 2+ ward against first wound, burning blade.
24 saurus, FC
24 skink cohort, 3 krox, mus
10 skink skirmishers
10 skink skirmishers
10 chameleon skinks
10 chameleon skinks
3 terradons
3 terradons
jungle swarms
jungle swarms
Salamander
2 Salamander

 

[Count Matthewzilla]

What three characters for mino-bus. Cool I like chariots. Jabber looks intersting Giant and cygor look cool although I think they are over costed.

 

[Seneschal]

DB ASF SWORD, CoC, blackened plate, shield
GB BSB Beast Banner, gnarled hide, hv ar, sh
GB Gold Sigil sword, hv ar, sh, Iron Curse

There are plenty of different configurations. Some don't take the second hero and just give stuff to the champion. I'd go with 5 mino's for soaking up wounds from shooting.
Basically, the full command sits in front to protect them from shooting. Once combat starts, use the make way rule to push the characters to the front. I didn't include the berzerker sword since this unit really shouldn't be losing combat.
The giant can work, just ask Johnny. Cygor is a 300 point stone thrower. Ghorgons have been known to work for a few people.

 

[Johnny-Crass]

You forgot deaths head on the ethereal Slan

 

[Johnny-Crass]

Ok so palyed a fast game with my new chaos dwarf list tonight and my giant was the star of the game. With Runes of Hate Siege Giants become freaking monsters. While he died he picked up 14 black knights before kicking the bucket. I should of lost my game but Infernal Guard pulled a double 6 charge into the vampire lords flank.

Also Giants are good but you really need to play them conservatively and know against mass small arms they will go down every game.

 

[Melle]

You'll get sunny's challenge too.

2 restrictions,
zombie dragon, pay the points for it, do NOT use it as a unitfiller
competitive

 

[Johnny-Crass]

Vampire Lord 605
Zombie Dragon
Seed of Rebirth
Charmed Shield
Sword of Anti-Hero
Red Fury
Quickblood
Dreadknight

Necromancer 135
Lvl 2
Cursed Book

Necromancer 125
Lvl 2
Dispel Scroll

40 Ghouls 410
Ghast

5 Dire Wolves 40

5 Dire Wolves 40

2x 20 Zombies 70
Muso + SB

2x 8 Crypt Horrors 304

2x Mortis Engine XXX

2543

Cut points where you see fit