Johnny's Non-VC Army Lists

[Melle]

ahh....nice. regen for dragon.
2500pts is my meta, forgot that.
i'll deffinetely try this!
thank you!

 

[Count Matthewzilla]

Hey johnny, per my mate whose finally back fr/ italy, what do you know about a Forest Goblin Spider rider list?

 

[Johnny-Crass]

I have heard of the spider cult list before and even seen pictures of the army but have never seen it in-game and dont really know how well it would function.

 

[Count Matthewzilla]

Thanks anyway. He's a fan and asked me and I came up with the same answer lol.

 

[Johnny-Crass]

But really I just struggle with the OnG list in general

 

[Chaos_Born]

Weren't you planning on a spider cult list at one point Johnny? With a bunch of squig hoppers for the sake of it if I remember

 

[Johnny-Crass]

Yes... Yes I was.... And we all saw how that turned out

Btw someone wanted a Beasts list right?

Beastlord 267
Great Weapon
Tali Pres
Blackened Plate
Crown of Command

Great Bray Shaman 310
Lvl 4 Shadow
Jagged Dagger
Fencers Blades
Tali End

Wargor BSB 206
Beast Banner
Gnarled Hide
Heavy Armor
Shield

Brayshaman 100
Dispel Scroll
Shadow

Bray Shaman 125
Herdstone
Shadow

Bray Shaman 115
Chalice of Dark Rain
Shadow

50 Gor 425
AHW
Full Command

Tuskgor Chariot XX

4x 5 Ungor Raiders 30

45 Bestigor 585
Full Command
Standard of Discipline

2x Razorgor XX

5 Harpies 55

Total: 2498

 

[The Sun King]

That's alot of characters

 

[Seneschal]

Beastmen armies typically have that many characters to power up from the herdstone shard.

 

[Johnny-Crass]

I find that beast list to be the standard template for competitive beasts. You then tweak for flavor. But that list will win you games fairly easy.

And yeah beastmen characters are kind of needed in a good beasts list just due to Herdstone

 

[The Sun King]

Our Lizardmen player is starting up a Beastmen army so I look forward to crushing him under my foot

 

[Johnny-Crass]

Got my hands on the Empire book and wanted to see how nasty of a list I could make if I wanted. Pretty damn pleased with the result I must say

Arch Lector 198
Crown of Command
Tali End
Charmed Shield
Heavy Armor
Barded Warhorse
General

Wizard Lord 294
Level 4 Shadow
Tali Pres
Barded Steed
Dispel Scroll

Captain BSB 166
White Cloak of Ulric
Lance
Full Plate + Shield
Barded Warhorse

Witch Hunter 105
Brace of Pistols
Flying Carpet

Witch Hunter 80
Brace of Pistols
Ruby Ring

21 Inner Circle Knights 640
Lances
Full Command
Steel Standard

4 Demigryph Knights 252
Muso+ Banner

4 Demigryph Knights 262
Muso+ Banner
Flaming Banner

Steamtank XXX

Steamtank XXX

2497

Thoughts comments and concerns?

 

[Commisarlestat]

The witch hunters are cool but are the weak point IMO. The one on foot has 0 protection. Most characters are in units so he's not going to get the kills off before dying. They will force people to put their characters in units but that isn't a major disadvantage and your steamtanks cannons are going to force that anyway.
I'd prefer to see some pistoliers or a level 1 beasts knocking around. Shadow while good may not be as good as beasts. If you decide to run wider than 5 on your main unit then the lord caster will be in combat. If he is panned pelt or even savage beasts could be a lot of help.

Apart from that it looks nice and filthy.

A

 

[Johnny-Crass]

But I have the sniper rule against the model I am hunting even with fireball so characters in units dont seem to mean much. Also I run my mages frontline all the time and they normally seem to live. I dunno I want more chaff but loath giving up armor.

 

[Commisarlestat]

Sniper is cool but you are hitting on 6's with two shots. Then you have to be in line of sight and range which unless you want to be in their face is and extra minus on range. Don't get me wrong they are cool and may confuse an opponent but if you drop both and a magic banner that's two units of pistoliers with champions and repeater pistols.

Still think beasts would help more. Inner circle with wyssans are str 5 after the charge.

A

 

[Chaos_Born]

What's up with the guy on the flying carpet? Reckon he'll make up his points before getting killed?

 

[The Sun King]

I've never seen witchhunters work - only reason to take them is MR

 

[Johnny-Crass]

I have seen hunters work with the ring a fair few times and the carpet dude is more of a distraction/bunker buster

 

[Chaos_Born]

The ruby ring guy is a great idea, but one on it's own, even with a carpet?

 

[The Sun King]

My concern with the ruby ring would be that you're spreading the PD pretty thin between bound spells and real magic... yeah yeah I know - it's all about having the right tool at the right time, but it is still a fair amount of points going in to tools that might not be used. Anyway just my two cents on Hunters.. I've only seen them work once and that was because OnceBitten thought he could hit on 5+ where he actually would hit on 7+ (don't know if you've seen that batrep Johnny?).

 

[Johnny-Crass]

I commented On that bat rep as you can not snipe on a S&S. But honestly 1 dice can 50% it. Though I might swap shadow for life.

 

[Johnny-Crass]

Bretonnian Lord 234
Virtue of Audacity
Gromil Great Helm
Ogre Blade
Shield
Barded Warhorse
General

Prophetess 295
Lvl 4 Life (wanted something new)
Crown of Command
Chalice of Malifer
Horse

Damsel 140
Lvl 2 Beasts
D-Scroll
Horse

BSB 114
E-Shield
Dawnstone
Warrior Bane
Barded Warhorse

Paladin 125
Virtue of Ideal
Dragonhelm
Barded Warhorse
Shield
Lance

12 Knight Errant 281
Full Command
Errantry Banner

12 KOTR 327
Full Command
SOD

4x 10 Peasant Bowmen 70
Muso + Braizers

8 Questing KNights 251
Full Command

2x Trebuchet XX

6 Grail Knights 273
Full Command
Swiftness

2500 on the nose

 

[Johnny-Crass]

Got a fun little list in the works these days

Woodelf Highborn 243
Elven Steed
Bow of Loren
Hagbane Arrows
Charmed Shield
DBG


Spellweaver 365
Lvl 4 Life
Unicorn
Stone of Rebirth

Wood Elf BSB 192
Asyendi's Bane
Hail of Doom Arrow
Dragon Helm
Eagle
Light Armor

Wood Elf Noble 157
Elven Steed
Moonstone of Hidden Ways
Wild Rider
Spear + LA

6 Glade Riders 153
Muso

6 Glade Riders 153
Muso

6 Glade Riders 153
Muso

6 Glade Riders 153
Muso

6 Glade Riders 153
Muso

6 Glade Riders 153
Muso

6 Glade Riders 153
Muso

9 Wild Riders 267
Muso + SB
Banner of Swiftness

Great Eagle XX

Great Eagle XX

5 Way Watchers 120

5 Way Watchers 120

Close to 2500

 

[Seneschal]

Hagbane Arrows? There's something I've never seen before.
This is similar to your dine and dash list isn't it?

 

[bigbadbat]

Johnny!
Friends and I have been having a blast playing 1000 pt games recently.
VC can be pretty nasty at this level, but I've had trouble bringing a tough Beastmen list to the table.
Thoughts, list, guidance all appreciated. Nasty is the goal!