Mind Razor Ghoul King 2500

[Count Matthewzilla]

Too true egg. Good luck, I look forward to your bat rep.

 

[The Sun King]

My opponent isn't the best player, but given a Ferreri anybody can win a race

Well said Eggie!

 

[Johnny-Crass]

With a 5+ regen and a vampire in the front rank I find even without magic we can survive a round of combat fairly well, enough to get some debuffs or buffs in next turn.

 

[The Sun King]

5+ Regen is nothing to sneeze at, that's for sure. I learned that with my GG's and Ghouls in my Dual engine list.

 

[Niltag]

no offensice but your skielis under Razor will have str3 as they use their LD as str not IP nor from char in unit, you just change your srt value for your LD value.

 

[Count Matthewzilla]

unmodified LD is the highest LD in the "unit" mate..

 

[Niltag]

yes ofc but spell use model`s LD not unit, IP gives unit general`s LD as their not model, model LD is still same

 

[Count Matthewzilla]

You didn't read the faq.

The rules changed in that Mind Razor doesn't use the Leadership of the MODEL anymore, but rather it uses the leadership of the UNIT (which is the highest leadership value of the unit).

 

[Commisarlestat]

Can't see that in the FAQ. However it says zip about stat. It says they use their leadership. Read the FAQ about a generals IP. You can use his at the very least. Plus the unmodified leadership etc they can use a higher value.

Essentially there is a massive difference between stay and value. The stat is their profile and value at the start of the game. That value is modifiable.

All of this adds up to. You work out what their value is at the time of casting the spell that is the strength.

The FAQ change is that you now use the value for everything strength related in attacking not just their wound rolls.

A

 

[Johnny-Crass]

Yupp the Skelies can use IP for Mind Razor.

 

[Count Matthewzilla]

Thanks Johnny. Iwas trying to find the post where we discussed this ad nasium.

 

[Yorga]

Yep. IP for Mindrazor and highest leadership in unit when it comes to Miasma. FAQs FTW. :tongue:

 

[Niltag]

well your interpretation will not change how I will use it and how I will allow enemys to use it. There is already discussion about it on biggest polish WFB forum, will let you know what they think about that

 

[Commisarlestat]

Fair enough just remember the stat and value bit. It's never ever said stat and value is the in game changed level.

A

 

[Count Matthewzilla]

No need to get snotty mate. And it's not for you soley to decide how your oppenent plays. It's to be discussed and if an impass happens.. roll on it.

But, its not a debate. No where in the rule of the spell or it's faq does it state to use the "profile" LD of the unit, just Leadership, ergo, inspiring pressence can be used in place of the unit's or the highest in the units including attatched characters.

I also fail to see the relevance of what some forum in poland says. sorry, ARe they GW? No? Then I go by RAW and GW FAQ's, Ammendments, and Erratas.

And If all else fails, I'll ask Johnny.

 

[Johnny-Crass]

And If all else fails, I'll ask Johnny.

Sigged

 

[Count Matthewzilla]

Also, on this, I guess in a game with you if we were to meet up for a match like gentlmen and ladies, I would be okay with your interpretation if you were okay with not using IP when I scream your units to death. After all it says LD of unit in that line on screaming.

 

[Larro]

Not that I'm a fan of the Mindrazor list, but I am in complete disagreement with this being open to debate. As per the newest FAQ, you CAN use IP for Mindrazor. That's the rule. It's in print. There's nothing "ungentlemanly" about playing by the rules, even if you find the rules silly.

- Larry