New Units - This Or That?

[Duke Danse Macabre]

You can always sell the multiple copies of the magic cards as well, come 3 or so months you will be able to sell them £10+ easily.

 

[Disciple of Nagash]

I think I am going to get the Coven Throne - Lahmians have always been my thing and that throne is just too god to pass up...to be honest I actually like pretty much all the new models....I think it is the first release from GW where I can say that o.o

I've still got my fingers crossed for better zombies in a second wave, but in the meantime I think it is going to be book, magic cards and Black Knights / Hexwraith to start off with....I just don't know which ones to make out of the box :zombie:

 

[Duke Danse Macabre]

Hexwraiths.
They are all new, the black knights are new models but old rules, build them later.

 

[bahamutzer0]

I ordered the book, cards, WK on steed and the Throne/Engine kit. I'll be building the Coven Throne for sure out of the two, go Lahmians! I'll be getting a box of Black Knights on Saturday, just throw the new models in the front rank as I already have 10 BKs with a mix of converted Empire and the metal models. If I got the money I'll order the mounted VL which I wanted to order as well, but was a bit short at the time.

A lot of people sound like they'll be picking up a box for Hexwraiths, my issue is that I already got a unit of Black Knights and some Blood Knights as well, I don't want anymore cavalry, sticking with my BK thank you very much.

I definitely want to look through the book before I think about getting anything else other than some more Skeletons and a few Cairn Wraiths.

 

[Wolfrahm]

I'm getting the book(even with that ghastly cover), magik cards, coven throne (just to juicy, have to paint it) and Isabella but I may have to do a bit on conversion on her, don't like the hair. May get Hex Wraiths if money available. I'm not a bloodline player per se, but I like to put together a nice looking army to field. After reading the rules I will decide if the Vargheist/Horrors will ever be in my army.

 

[Vallasch]

Hmm i'm not really sold on the coven throne myself. The models themselves look too Von Carstein, with the gothic/victorian style and not how i imagined lahmians to be. Plus the cushion stuffed with intestines doesn't strike me as suiting the decadent aesthetic of either.

 

[bahamutzer0]

Yeah....I don't like the pillow either, the clothes are no surprise, they always have that Victorian look to them so it doesn't really bother me anymore. I was thinking of filing down the pillow or green stuffing a new pillow covering the guts, it just doesn't fit Lahmians at all. I don't like the hair of the head vampire either, the style fits with what I've read, but it looks messy which would not do for a Lahmian.


Aaah, GW...always gotta make VC all goth and horror even when it doesn't make sense, but thats just the way they do it, same with 40k, everything always has to be grim and dark.


Even if the model is a little off I'm still building it for sure, Lahmian and Blood Dragons are my bloodlines of choice and this is definitely right up my alley and I'm just not feeling the ME rules/look wise, awesome model though.

 

[Sanai]

Your blaming them for making vampire counts goth and horror? Arent vampires the living incarnation of gothic horror?

 

[Vallasch]

Lol no, i'm not saying it's a bad thing. I like the gothic-horror theme as much as the next.. well, goth.

I'm just saying i imagined lahmians to be less hammer horror film, and more like Sheridan Le Fanu's Carmilla. All serene and delicate but deadly inside.

 

[Sanai]

Are the organs inside the pillows sculpted or were they just painted on like the wood inside yhettee axe blades?

 

[Lynks]

they certainly seem scuplted to me Sanai. When i get round to getting my coven throne those organs are gone first thing and a regular pillow scuplted back in it's place.

 

[Duke Danse Macabre]

You have the remember they live in the cities hidden among the aristocracy so they would not be dressed in older garb, besides not all the vampires would be that old either.

I hate the pillow as well, going to have to do away with the damn thing.

 

[TMS]

lol, I had a feeling that people wouldn't like the gut-pillows much when I first noticed it. :lol:

 

[Zhatan]

I have started out by ordering the book, a terrorgheist, a wight king, a box of black knights and a box of vargheists.
I'm thinking of making more zombie ogres, like the one I converted earlier, to use with crypt horror rules as those look pretty bad imo.

 

[Thanmar Thrask]

The BK/Wraight box is a must get, going to build the hex guys but hope to use the leftovers on my old black nights replace the spear arms with lance arms and the shields.

Great! Hadn't thought of that.

So I will do that, probably get 2 boxes to field 10 Hexwraiths, I love the idea. I will surely get a Mortis Engine and Coven Throne in time, with the Engine getting priority.

Not sure if I will ever assemble a Terrorgheist but once finances allow I will treat myself to a Zombie Dragon, love the model.

As for the MI... Yeah I am already looking at alternatives for that. Probably Zombie Ogres or Trolls. I absolutely despise the kit. (Vargheists just seem lackluster and ugly to me where the Ghouls just remind me of some combination of Orcs&Trolls)

Except for that one in my opinion really flawed kit I could not have hoped for anything better models wise. The Zombie Dragon, the Hexwraiths duelkit, the Engine and the single models, amazing stuff!

 

[Dreadgrass]

I'm thinking of grabbing the Crypt Horrors, filing down the spiny bits, modelling on a load of fur and giving them wolf heads (courtesy of some goblin wolfriders that have strayed into my bitz box...) for my newest batch of Werewolves...

They will help me re-launch my Strigoi horde, along with some Vargheists (which I think will look better with a different paint job tbh, and maybe a few suitably gory accessories... god I love the Kroot extra bitz!) a Mortis Engine and Terrorgheists.

The new Monstrous Infantry and Terrorgheists are a (dark)godsend to me, I've always had to sacrifice theme a little and include Graveguard for a sturdy infantry block, but now I'm spoilt for choice!

 

[Sception]

I'm not sure to what extent grave guard are really sacrificing theme for strigoi - they make their homes in old barrows and forgotten crypts, exactly the places wights are found, and wights are naturally roused by the influence of nearby vampires. Seems kind of an inevitable combination.

That said, Crypt horrors are certainly a much better fit for Strigoi, and seem able to perform much the same battlefield role, so there you go.

 

[Sanai]

It really depends on the strigoi. If they are the normal kind of strigoi- the ones lost to their bestial nature, I doubt they are really going to go up to a barrow and do a magic ritual to raise a unit of graveguard, when they can just call and a bunch of ghouls and varghulfs and stuff will just turn up.
Then, theres the very rare other kind of strigoi- the ones that havnt been forced to live in the wild and are basically just normal vampires that really, really hate all of the other bloodlines.

 

[Sception]

It really depends on the strigoi. If they are the normal kind of strigoi- the ones lost to their bestial nature, I doubt they are really going to go up to a barrow and do a magic ritual to raise a unit of graveguard, when they can just call and a bunch of ghouls and varghulfs and stuff will just turn up.

I was under the impression that vampires don't need to do any special ritual to rouse grave guard. The spirit of the wight is already there, bound to its body, they simply require an infusion of dark magic to provide an animating force. A vampire is an unliving nexus of dark magic by default, grave guard in their presence rise and follow the vampire on their own, and given the Strigoi's regal self image, I imagine many would be quite pleased with such a noble entourage.

Necromancers need to perform rituals to rouse wights and bind them to their will, but they're necromancers, that's what they do.


Again, ghouls and crypt horrors and fellbats and the like are better fits for the Strigoi, but wights never struck me as bad fits.

 

[Sanai]

I meant that they take effort to summon, you cant just create units of grave guard with a wave of your hand, you have to seek out the barrow of the rich, elite soldiers and put some considerable magical energy into it, unlike skeletons/zombies which pop up like daisies with almost no effort on a vampires part, or ghouls which just turn up wherever a vampire goes.

 

[Sception]

I was under the impression that skeletons require more effort on a vampires part than grave guard - since rituals must be cast to create them, while wights require merely the presence of a vampire to provide enough focused dark magic to give their spirits - bound forever to their corpses at the time of burial - enough energy to move their skeletal forms about. The rituals required to initially bind a spirit to a corpse creating wights are much more complicated, but the vampire who rouses them does not need to cast any such ritual, it has already been done.

Wights are more difficult than skeletons for necromancers to rouse and bind, since they require much more dark magic, but vampires are walking beacons of such magic and don't need to bother with drawing down that which is already there, and their inherent nature draws other undead to follow them once roused, no binding ritual is necessary.

As for seeking out the wights' crypts and burial mounds, Strigoi don't need to do anything special for that, they already seek out exactly such locations as their prefered lairs - ancient, remote, ready access to corpses, yet with the trappings of nobility.

 

[darkmark]

I went to pick up an Isabella today, and the 4 instock were awful so a no sale for me there. I picked up the wight king and black knights, and was really impressed. Some of the joins to the frame will need very careful cutting, but I'm used to that from my Dark Eldar. I'm going to make knights first and then use the hex bodies to make wraiths.