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[Harland]

Here, you can talk about whatever you feel like talking about.

Tangents are encouraged. If it crosses the line, it's normal.


Oh god, a geometry pun... what have I become...

 

[alppikutka]

What is off topic in an off topic thread on off topic forum? - Inception?

I just remembered that I like piano music. It's a very powerful instrument and I'm considering buying some sort of electric keyboard thing and self-educating myself. Also, I enjoy thinking about thinking. And I love love.

 

[Harland]

No, not Inception. Offception.


I would love to play the piano, but if I ever do, I will have to teach myself, and currently I have neither the equipment nor the time to do so.

And, thinking about thinking - does that make you a Philosopher?

 

[alppikutka]

I believe my friends use word 'crazy' and my parents go with 'special'. But I'll be a 'philosopher' for you just as easily!

 

[Harland]

Speaking of Philosophy, I am currently studying Plato's Phaedo as a set book - in fact, I have an exam on it on friday.

 

[alppikutka]

It's like I knew, isn't it? Enjoy the feeling =)

 

[Harland]

Well, he calls it philosophy. It's just seventy pages of absolute rubbish.

 

[alppikutka]

Greek philosophy is just a bunch of men rationalizing their homosexuality and incest. Not that complex thinking if you ask me.

 

[Harland]

Well, not really. Homosexuality was accepted, and expected, under certain circumstances, and so there would have been no need to justify it. And incest was very much frowned upon, so trying to justify it, even supposing it did happen, would only lead to their exile.

The Phaedo is about Socrates' last day, and in it Plato tries to prove the immortality of the soul, among other things. It is tenuous at best.

 

[Shareya]

The birthplace of democracy was actually quite the ugly little island x)

 

[alppikutka]

You don't write books about things you don't think.
You don't think about things that are obvious.
Things are not obvious if they make you hesitate.
You don't hesitate if nobody doubts your way.
Nobody doubts your way if they everybody is the same.

In conclusion, I'm sure homophobia is not a 20th century phenomenon and they were rationalizing copulation with no chance of reproduction. They were educated men, after all, and knew that no babies were made.

Yes, I'm yanking your chain.
No, I got nothing against homosexuals.

I'm saying they liked to hump anything that moved and probably even things that didn't in ancient Greece. That fact reflected on the texts produced in that time and the science of thinking got a bit stuck in the sex part. I guess not that much has changed since then but at least we try to separate thinking from thinking just sex.

 

[Melle]

The birthplace of democracy was actually quite the ugly little island x)

Ulthuan?

 

[alppikutka]

The problem about democracy is that every idiot is equal.

 

[Harland]

The birthplace of democracy was actually quite the ugly little island x)

Athens isn't on an island. But, it is quite ugly and not very pleasant nowadays.

You don't write books about things you don't think.
You don't think about things that are obvious.
Things are not obvious if they make you hesitate.
You don't hesitate if nobody doubts your way.
Nobody doubts your way if they everybody is the same.

In conclusion, I'm sure homophobia is not a 20th century phenomenon and they were rationalizing copulation with no chance of reproduction. They were educated men, after all, and knew that no babies were made.

Yes, I'm yanking your chain.
No, I got nothing against homosexuals.

I'm saying they liked to hump anything that moved and probably even things that didn't in ancient Greece. That fact reflected on the texts produced in that time and the science of thinking got a bit stuck in the sex part. I guess not that much has changed since then but at least we try to separate thinking from thinking just sex.

Consider my chain well and truly yanked.
Also, consider the following points:

1. Homophobia began with the Ancient Hebrews, but more importantly, it was not popularized until the spread of Christianity in the Middle Ages. Furthermore, this has nothing to do with the ancient greeks and homophobia only existed in Ancient Greece in certain very rare circumstances.
2. They did not view sex as only for reproduction. Sex for pleasure is at least as old as civilization itself, and probably dates back to the early years of humanity.
3. They did not hump anything that moved, even in the metaphorical sense.
4. Their texts, especially their philosophical ones, were most certainly not just about sex. Of course, their comedies had lots of innuendo in them, but they were comedies. Their philosophy was entirely separated from sex, in fact, that was one of it's defining features.

I think you may be confusing the Greek's philosophy with that of Freud...

 

[alppikutka]

Not exactly confusing but now that I did some researching I gotta admit I thought Freud took more of his ideas from the old Greeks.

PS. It's hard to have an educated conversation about things that you barely know of and specially so when you start with a one-liner joke. :<

 

[Harland]

I believe Sigmund Freud's theories were mostly self-generated.

There's no reason to feel bad about joining in the discussion. If we only talked about things we knew about, then no-one would talk to each other. Let me exposit a bit more about Phaedo, so now it becomes a subject you do know a bit about.

Phaedo takes place on Socrates' last day, whom Plato uses as a mouthpiece to convey his thoughts. Most quotations you see attributed to Socrates are in fact Plato's, as Socrates never wrote anything down.
In Phaedo, Plato touches on many things, primarily his 'proof' that the soul is immortal. A point relevant to our discussion is that he states that philosophers do their best philosophizing after they're dead, as they are then free from the distractions and pleasures of the body, and when alive they should try to dissociate with bodily pleasure as much as possible.

Speaking of Freud, there was a movie about him and Carl Yung. Freud was played by Viggo Mortenson. Who also played Aragorn.

 

[alppikutka]

So we reach nirvana when we die. Now the question is if there is reincarnation so that we can benefit from the absolute use of our minds, huh? Do you believe you can reach same state while still having a beating heart? And if so, is it with the help of drugs, higher being or meditation?

Personally I've thought that if reincarnation happens it does so in reverse order to popular hopes. Going from human being back to more simple animals. There just has to be some truth in the saying "ignorance is bliss". You can live happy but I think nobody dies happy, human mind is programmed to always want more. The less you know the less you need to be happy.

 

[Shareya]

The birthplace of democracy was actually quite the ugly little island x)

Ulthuan?

! Ulthuan was great before the fall! Pleasure cults all around

 

[Melle]

yay for pleasure cults

 

[Harland]

But why is it risky joining a pleasure cult?

All the unprotected sects.



Honestly, I've never really sorted out my views on what happens after death. I should probably think on it.

 

[Melle]

nothing happens. ..
finito, slut, fin, the end..

there's no heaven nor hell. in fact hell is life, heaven is life. its all about yourself, heritage and surroundings that grants your beeing one or the other, or most commonly, both.

 

[alppikutka]

So in that case, where is your heaven on earth?

 

[Disciple of Nagash]

Boobs.

That is all.

 

[Shareya]

Doggy getting bigger:

Tammi ( at the front ) playing with his friend that is brought around now and again!

Damn I forgot all about this topic, could have slapped the pics here before and not the ''wrong'' ones

 

[alppikutka]

These pictures don't load for me ;<