i went to my local GW to pick up another battlion box for help out my army and they increased the price 22$ more for a battlion, whats going on with GW?
PRICE RAISE!!!
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RE: PRICE RAISE!!!!!!
Perhaps it had some finecast models in it? Although I don't know of many battleforces with metal models in at the moment, so perhaps I'm wrong.
If it is finecast, it is seriously worth it. Once you get one model, you're hooked.
Perhaps it had some finecast models in it? Although I don't know of many battleforces with metal models in at the moment, so perhaps I'm wrong.
If it is finecast, it is seriously worth it. Once you get one model, you're hooked.
I am pretty sure the overall price rise of all models is just the yearly thing they do every June and has nothing to do with the switch of some metal models to finecast. It just happened that they were both implemented at the same time.
Ah, ok. As I said, I wasn't entirely sure, just my guess. Cheers TerribleBilly. (Why Terrible? 
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Count Darvaleth said:Ah, ok. As I said, I wasn't entirely sure, just my guess. Cheers TerribleBilly. (Why Terrible?
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Thanks for the welcome and its just sort for Billy the Terrible just doesn't fit as well for forums.
Also the battalion boxes are still all plastic which I forget to say. At least they should be.
with these new price raises im beginning to think that games workshop doesnt like to have new customers, there has to be a set limit.... 90$ CDN for a battlion box was reasonable, when they jumped it to 108$ CDN it was a difference, big in my opinon, but still rather a fair price, but i think 130$ CDN is a little steep for the same models, even the army books and codex's have raised in price, this price change has changed my view on continuing in warhammer, i like the hobby, its a nice game, i like the people but god forbid if i want to start a new army, i would have to cut a vein and bleed out the money for a different army, all im saying is, its not what it use to be when i first started out and i had paints, brushes, glue, battleforce/battalion and book, would total up close to 200$ and i would be set for a 500 - 750 point games.Count Darvaleth said:Ah, ok. As I said, I wasn't entirely sure, just my guess. Cheers TerribleBilly. (Why Terrible?
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Sirihar
Crypt Horror
It's one of their annual price rises.
Depending on where you are in the world, there are plenty of online stores which offer a discount on GW products. If GW prices are beyond what you are willing to pay, then there is nothing wrong with buying from an online store.
Depending on where you are in the world, there are plenty of online stores which offer a discount on GW products. If GW prices are beyond what you are willing to pay, then there is nothing wrong with buying from an online store.
On a per-model basis, Games-Workshop's price raises are not wholly unreasonable. It's the larger boxes like battalions and starter sets that are advertised as a 'deal' and then priced so that they don't save you more than $10-15 US over buying the models separately that make the increases harder to stomach.
TJK1991 said:
Actually, the battalion/battleforce sets were never $90 unless you got them from an indie source outside a GW store... Right from the first Space Marine battalion waaaaay back in '98, they were always $130.
It was last year or else the year before that the sets were re-ajusted across both games and priced on differing scales.
Most dropped from the traditional $130 down to the $108 we came to love! A few have gone to wierd prices like the dark eldar or space wolves and their $115 for example.
So this 'price rise' isn't really so bad, considering we were making off like bandits for a over year or so, and now the prices have simply returned back to their old, original price ranges...
Overal though, this hobby is still miles cheaper than video gaming/PC gaming! Heck, for the start-up cost of our hobby, I can get a very sizable force for what it would cost me to get an X-box, additional controller, extra game or two, on-line play fee, hint books and god knows what else you'd want!
Cheers!
The price rise is an annual event by GW usually happening in June, so nothing to worry about. Well, except the usual crying about how freaking expensive the things have gotten, which I have to agree on since it's really starting to cost me so much I can't afford much any longer.
It is a mere unfortunate situation that the price raise happened at the same time as the finecost release, which is really not a smart move by GW since people tend to think that they're robbing them because of switching to a cheaper material and still raise the prices. But the price raise happens nonetheless every year.
Normally the battalion boxes are designed so you effectively get one box for "free" with every purchase, although I believe the saving goes down a little so you'll think twice if you buy X battalions or your units separately because you might not need that much of a certain unit in the battalion. All sales strategy really. Additionally, while I think it's true that this will scare off a lot of customers those already addicted like most of us here will shed a tear on the loss of their hard earned money, but continue buying anyway.
It is a mere unfortunate situation that the price raise happened at the same time as the finecost release, which is really not a smart move by GW since people tend to think that they're robbing them because of switching to a cheaper material and still raise the prices. But the price raise happens nonetheless every year.
Normally the battalion boxes are designed so you effectively get one box for "free" with every purchase, although I believe the saving goes down a little so you'll think twice if you buy X battalions or your units separately because you might not need that much of a certain unit in the battalion. All sales strategy really. Additionally, while I think it's true that this will scare off a lot of customers those already addicted like most of us here will shed a tear on the loss of their hard earned money, but continue buying anyway.
Vorizah Vukotic
Skeleton
yeah I get the fact about the price rises every year, but but putting the price of blood knights up by 20% which is way way above inflation just seems like pure simple greed, any bets on how much the new black coach is gunna cost? didn't see one in nottingham on saturday.
Just my two cents. I'm done with GW. I am still going to complete my armies but any additions will be classic models bought on the internet. In my opinion these were originally bought back when GW was a company run by gamers not the corporate dinosaur it has become today.
I used to work for GW (over 10 years ago) and even then the hard sell mentality was still very much present in the stores. Lord of the Rings was just about to be relased and the staff training sessions on how great this new game was going to be were only short of a hypnodisc to complete the brainwashing experience! But I doubt that the new Hobbit franchise is going to do the same for them, and with the constant two fingers that they've been giving their older customers lately, we could be seeing the begining of the straw that will break the cash-cow's back.
GW is a gateway into the hobby for most people, they are on pretty much every high street with their shiny shops and ads in every wargaming magazine there is going. They are how most of us discover a love for the hobby in the first place, but I feel that they will see the decline much faster now. Older gamers are turning to cheaper & better alternatives and the new gamers, kids who rely on their parents to buy the stuff, will have a harder time getting into the hobby as parents will probably choose to spend the money on something else to occupy their children, something which would be a better investment than models that require supervision and will probably end up stuck to the cat!
So goodbye GW, we've had our ups and downs, but I'm sure we'll meet again on ebay. I'm off to happier cheaper pastures........anyone coming with?
I used to work for GW (over 10 years ago) and even then the hard sell mentality was still very much present in the stores. Lord of the Rings was just about to be relased and the staff training sessions on how great this new game was going to be were only short of a hypnodisc to complete the brainwashing experience! But I doubt that the new Hobbit franchise is going to do the same for them, and with the constant two fingers that they've been giving their older customers lately, we could be seeing the begining of the straw that will break the cash-cow's back.
GW is a gateway into the hobby for most people, they are on pretty much every high street with their shiny shops and ads in every wargaming magazine there is going. They are how most of us discover a love for the hobby in the first place, but I feel that they will see the decline much faster now. Older gamers are turning to cheaper & better alternatives and the new gamers, kids who rely on their parents to buy the stuff, will have a harder time getting into the hobby as parents will probably choose to spend the money on something else to occupy their children, something which would be a better investment than models that require supervision and will probably end up stuck to the cat!
So goodbye GW, we've had our ups and downs, but I'm sure we'll meet again on ebay. I'm off to happier cheaper pastures........anyone coming with?
Rochie said:
im not going to give up on the hobby completely i will still use the models i have now, i will look on sites to buy older models, but i am also considering switching companies, i saw mantic games has a simular fantasy based stratgey they are newer but cheaper about half the price of a GW battlion for a box of 110 models, and it comes with rules for free and you can buy whole paint sets for cheap and it includes demo model and carrying case, i think this is a much more better deal, i like warhammer and warhammer 40k, i think its a great hobby to get into, but like all hobbies, money and time are required, which is no problem but when a box is gonna cost me 5 - 30$ more when its already very expensive i just cant support such a hobby anymore, times have changed not as many people will have the patients to paint and learn to play the game, but the people who do show interest are driven away because the prices are so high, GW will fall apart because of there greed
@Vorizah: It IS pure and simple greed. A few years ago I've bought a Dark Elf Repeater Bolt Thrower for 17.50EUR which I already found very very expensive and now they're charging me 23.50EUR (or was it 26?!). Do the maths and you'll see that this is far beyond inflation. And the DE range is by far not the one that was hit hardest.
@Rochie: I can understand your point about quitting GW, but I won't come with you all that soon. I want to complete my armies first. If there was something like a global/nation wide boycott I'd participiate though. I think their sales policy is slowly going OTT even more than it ever was, but I like the hobby too much to quit GW altogether. Something inside me is hoping that GW will realize how wrong they're running their stuff - but I'm also quite sure that this is never going to happen.
@Rochie: I can understand your point about quitting GW, but I won't come with you all that soon. I want to complete my armies first. If there was something like a global/nation wide boycott I'd participiate though. I think their sales policy is slowly going OTT even more than it ever was, but I like the hobby too much to quit GW altogether. Something inside me is hoping that GW will realize how wrong they're running their stuff - but I'm also quite sure that this is never going to happen.
i am with Dogmar in this one. I love the hobby too much to quit. I only hope this "attitude" won't turn warhammer to a dead game that noone will play anymore cause of its high cost.
Don't get me wrong guys, I still love the GW stuff I've got, but lately I'm realising that there's better out there. I still intend on playing Warhammer at least once a week with my mate, and there's a fair chance I'll still pick up a new army book if need be, but I'm now finishing my armies through other suppliers (Paul Mullers ghouls for Heresy, Otherworld and even his old GW sculpts blow the newer monkey looking ghouls completely out of the water). Again, because of GW's restrictions I understand that many people wouldn't be able to follow this route, as the only places they have to play are GW stores. To me, the juggernaught that is Games Workshop has in the past decade gone on to become it's own version of THE HOBBY(tm), where the emphasis seems to be putting it's loyal customers through the financial wringer, rather than encouraging growth and creativity in what still is, for all intents and purposes, a very specialist pastime. I have found an absolute wealth of non GW related hobby material online, all of which (in the correct environment) can be applied to Warhammer and its' b*****d Sci Fi offspring.
I'm not trying to start a revolution here, just airing my views, much respect to those who are sticking with GW, may you have as many years of enjoyment as I did, but at the same time don't embrace blind faith that it might get better, or you'll end up bald and bitter like me!
I'm not trying to start a revolution here, just airing my views, much respect to those who are sticking with GW, may you have as many years of enjoyment as I did, but at the same time don't embrace blind faith that it might get better, or you'll end up bald and bitter like me!
Some stuff actually got cheaper. Check out the ogre-sized models.
As for price raise. Yepp but I am not suprised, it seems everyone is going for 3rd party vendors or E-bay(and usually add that they've been doing so for years and years). Lowering prices to attract more costumers then becomes impossible because of having to push their company into loss instead of profit.
I don't think GW has changed much, we've just gotten older... And with age comes cynicism and knowledge. Suddenly the White dwarfs are bland, feel like ad-booklets or whatnot. Suddenly, GW no longer feel like the hobby it used to be. So the world hasn't changed but rather you have, bit by bit, started to pull back the curtain only to find something you wish you hadn't found.
Knowledge ruins "the magic", ignorance is bliss. Change hurts.
Cheers, D.
As for price raise. Yepp but I am not suprised, it seems everyone is going for 3rd party vendors or E-bay(and usually add that they've been doing so for years and years). Lowering prices to attract more costumers then becomes impossible because of having to push their company into loss instead of profit.
I don't think GW has changed much, we've just gotten older... And with age comes cynicism and knowledge. Suddenly the White dwarfs are bland, feel like ad-booklets or whatnot. Suddenly, GW no longer feel like the hobby it used to be. So the world hasn't changed but rather you have, bit by bit, started to pull back the curtain only to find something you wish you hadn't found.
Knowledge ruins "the magic", ignorance is bliss. Change hurts.
Cheers, D.
Very well put mate, to the issue of me changing rather than the company, I think my main beef is there's absolutely nothing given back to the consumer anymore, "back in the day", they had things like the Skullz incentive, where every 10 pounds spent was rewarded with a sticker. Collect X amount of stickers and redeem them for exclusive models/posters whatever. It was nothing special, but it felt like they were turning around and saying "look, cheers for your support, have this". Most large shops/companies offer incentives where money spent adds up to store credit, why can't GW do the same?
On the point of 3rd party retailers being detrimental to direct sales, GW sells that stock to indy retailers at a set wholesale price, the mark up is then up to the retailer to determine. In Dublin, I can walk 200 yards from the GW store to an independant store that sells GW product from 3 euro(for blisters) up to nearly 30 euro(Battalion boxes) cheaper than the main store! As an ex staff member, I'd heard of the mark up GW puts on their stock, they still make money selling to 3rd party retailers, I don't know of any other company in any section of any market where it's cheaper to buy from a 3rd party than the actual manufacturer
On the point of 3rd party retailers being detrimental to direct sales, GW sells that stock to indy retailers at a set wholesale price, the mark up is then up to the retailer to determine. In Dublin, I can walk 200 yards from the GW store to an independant store that sells GW product from 3 euro(for blisters) up to nearly 30 euro(Battalion boxes) cheaper than the main store! As an ex staff member, I'd heard of the mark up GW puts on their stock, they still make money selling to 3rd party retailers, I don't know of any other company in any section of any market where it's cheaper to buy from a 3rd party than the actual manufacturer
Bloodsuckingmadman
Zombie
Could someone please tell me wtf 'finecast' is all about? I can't even paint worth a dog's dump (like many) so what's the point of screwing up a model which is better more detailed costs more or whatever blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah....................
Bloodsuckingmadman said:
It's not just the finer & sharper detail, the big incentive for fineca$t is that it's far, far easier to work with! No more endless hours of grinding silly moldlines, or needing 4 pins per wing on a bloodthirster to keep 'em on...
Or else having to wieght the bases of top-heavy models, or seeing your freshly painted master-piece slide down and fall off of a simple incline and then chip like crazy!
And no more spending 4 hours hammering your model together, and then spending a further 2 hours filling every single gap with green stuff!:slapface:
All of that nonsense is history!
As for the painting - more detail actually makes it easier as those washes will work even more of their magic now!
As far as price hikes go... I just shrug and get on with it. Life is too expensive in general nowadays and everyone is after your legs, both your arms and if they can, your first born! I figure plastic toys is a better waste of my money than gas for a car - now THAT is corporate robbery!:mad2:
Cheers!
i agree that maybe i am changing and the hobby is starting to look alot less of what i thought it was, i still want to play warhammer though, i enjoy the game, but i will not spend soo much money on something that is still plastic, people say its the process that the models go through that makes them expensive, but thats not true cause i still see companies like Privateer press, and mantic or reaper who sell essentially the same style of model for a fraction of the cost, i dont want some revolution to go on, i am not saying to boycott games workshop, im just hoping that the company would hear out some of these people, and start tracing back to a time where it was a game for fun, not to see how much money can be made ripping off customers or how much will they pay for before they quit, the last thing i want is to see is games workshop shutting down cause they are too stubborn to lower there prices to a decent amount
TJK1991 said:
One of the reasons Finecast is expensive is because GW poured LOADS into making sure the resin formula was awesome. Companies (like those you have listed) are cheaper because they make do with what they have; GW strive to acquire better-quality material.
Dancey, that post made me feel sad.
I wanna shut the curtain again!Those other model companies also don't have the same kind of digital sculpting tech that GW has sunk a couple million bucks into...
Sure they can get good detail into their model lines, but it utterly pales in comparison to what GW can now achive if they go all out. (which they of corse, always try to do!)
Basically, GW vs other model makers is kinda like paying the difference between plain 'ol dvd's or newer blue-ray dvd's... Sure I hate the price mark-up there as well, but you can't mistake the difference in quality that blue-ray has.
Cheers!
Sure they can get good detail into their model lines, but it utterly pales in comparison to what GW can now achive if they go all out. (which they of corse, always try to do!)
Basically, GW vs other model makers is kinda like paying the difference between plain 'ol dvd's or newer blue-ray dvd's... Sure I hate the price mark-up there as well, but you can't mistake the difference in quality that blue-ray has.
Cheers!
Tezdal
Zombie
Anubis said:
Meh... Sure they claim quality, but I just bought the new Green Knight(I loved the metal version, figured I'd try out the resin) and it had several bubbles (including one in the sword which I'm not sure what to do with) and took me quite a while clean. Not the premium product I expected