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I think the price rises are unjustified and unfair but hey still gonna pay right.

Talking about value for money though, it really depends on where you are and what it is. Example, copied DVD here 5RMB ( about 50p) PS3 game 200-300RMB (20-30 pounds) decent T-shirt 20-50RMB, PC camera 30RMB, 16GB USB stick 250-300RMB. GW models about 50% more than UK price.

Orcs going from what 18GBP for 20 to 15 or 20GBP for 10 or whatever is just redic.:zombie:
 
I dont think the price rises are unfair or unjustified at all. Its games workshops product and they have the right to charge whatever the hell they like for it. Also, everything has gotten alot more expensive. If people pay up to $80 for a pedicure, then I think its fine to pay $50 for a box of high quality plastic miniatures.
 
They have a right to charge us whatever the hell they like, we also have the right to call them all sorts of names for doing it. If you are happy with paying that much money,then its your business mate, but I am not and I increasingly see GW pooing on their customers with every new decision. How long will it last? We will see, they will reach point sooner or later when they will realise that they crossed the line and in the meantime other companies will jump on the bandwagon (mantic is doing great so far riding on GWs bad decisions for example).
 
I don't presume to judge whether these decisions are bad or not, I don't have an economics and marketing degree and I'm not the CEO of a company whos job it is is to make money for the company. Are you? I'm sure Games Workshops set these prices as they are for a good reason that is good for the company. Personally I'm a games workshop customer and I have never been defecated on by them.
 
there are different ways to make money mate. Sometimes you don't need to have a degree in economics to notice things.
Out of curiosity, can I ask how old are you?
 
In some professions being defecated on will cost ya extra :devil2:

All kidding aside I really feel for those who only have GW stores to play in,where your only choice is to use official GW models.

As for Mantic , God bless them it is nice to have some other models to choose from.
 
As a colleague of mine would say, "Ebay, my friend."
I personally don't use Ebay but I sympathize with those that do. I know some players that can't afford to buy the new models (or even the rule book) due to the state of the economy. Alot of folks I know are still having problems finding new jobs.
Does GW honestly need to raise their prices twice a year? Somehow, I don't think so. I know they are a business and I have a business background myself, yet, I stand by my belief that they have been asking for too much from their consumers.
My local game store has lost more than half of it's WH and WH40K players to Warmachine in the last year and that number is growing.
 
They have the right to charge whatever they like for the plastic toy soliders.
I have the right to not purchase said plastic toy soliders.

In the long run, who wins?
 
Eastern, I don't see what my age has to do with this discussion.
Fenrir, Games Workshop wins. Logically the best thing to do with pricing would be to find the price that makes the maximum profit by being the highest it can be without preventing too many purchases through being too expensive, so basically a good profit to buyability ratio. Losing a certain amount of customers is worth it if the remaining customers spending increases to beyond the level that the lost customers where bringing in.
 
Sanai, I imagine its not so much your age, as your income (which tends to increase with age).

For a student living off a very small annual loan (as the university system works here in the UK) buying even a few models can seriously eat into your food and living expenses money. Someone on a proper salary will be able to afford GW prices easier (and therefore is less likely to complain about them).

It's a big simplification I know - but I imagine that's what Eastern Barbarian is getting at.

I'm not sure GW does win if prices go up and number of customers goes down. It seems to me to be a simple quick fix to raise profits that sacrifices the long term prospects of the company. If the number of customers keeps falling eventually they will be so small that profits will disappear.

What if the people in charge of GW only want to milk of dividend money for a few years then leave/sell the company. You do know that the people making the decisions are also awarding themselves dividends each year as they are major share holders?
 
Dan Lee, almost all CEOs/Decision makers award themselves increased bonuses, even though it has been scientifically proven that large bonuses are a detriment to the performance of any cerebal job. (You try being the scientist who has to sell the idea of decreasing bonuses to a boardroom!)
I think that price raises are mandatory at the moment, as the cost of everything is increasing, and when you are making a specialist product, those different costs interact and compound.
1# The price of oil has been steadily rising over the past few years. That increases transport costs (bringing the plastic to the factories, shipping the sprues to the packaging centres, shipping the boxes to the various stores)
It also increases the cost of plastic (Plastic being an oil based product)
2# Inflation. Alot of people talk about how such and such used to only cost $20 or whatever, but $20 back then = alot more these days due to inflation. You used to be able to buy a cup of coffee with cents, not dollars.
3# The worsening economic situation means that alot of people no longer spend as much on luxuries and hobbies, decreasing Games Workshops income.
4# Increased competition from web based companies further makes things worse for games workshop.
5# The stock market problems have probably driven the GW stocks pretty low, meaning increased pressure from the shareholders to increase profits.
6# all of these factors, and more, interact with each other and can compound the problem.

I'm not trying to justify the price raises, I'm just exploring some of the possible reasons for why they are happening, to try and give a bit of perspective on this beyond the personal "I dont like things costing more" factor that most people judge it by. Price raises are always going to happen, always have happened and I would expect more of them in the future, and in the end, it is games workshops job to profit from selling minis as much as they can, the same with any company, they arent going to drive prices too drastically high, because that would alienate too many customers in relation to the profit. But any and all companies will risk a few customers here and there to keep profits up. When we get all gooey eyed and think a companies job is to do whats best for us, that is when we take a big departure from reality.

edit: also note the fact that games workshop has not so long ago upgraded their plastic technology, and they have added a whole new material to their repetoire (finecast). That means buying/building expensive, shiny new machines to do it all that cost more to run.
 
I agree with all your reasons for price increases Sinai. I just think a better long term strategy would be to increase their customer base, rather then reduce it.

As you say, GW are suffering from increased competition from other model manufacturers and from retailers selling their own products. GW seems to be reacting to this by sticking their heads in the sand, with every business choice seeming to alienate more and more people.

They are depending on vigorous defense of their intellectual property, and the willingness of customers to pay premium prices for their top quality products (not their exact words, but this is what they said in a recent shareholders report). The problem is other companies are getting very close (i.e. close enough) to their IP and getting away with it. Also, their models are very good quality but other manufacturers are getting better all the time, and as soon as people start considering both quantity and quality for their money, GW starts loosing badly.
 
its not my problem that they have costs and are investing in the newe material (that actually in not such a long run is going tp bring them massive savings). Look again at Mantic- less costs of new models= cheaper price for new models.

I am sorry Sanai but what you are writing really reads like a PR speech by somebody from GW. And in all your reasons fro price increase you forgot one really important one: GREED.

I am really increasingly worried that Dan might be right- that GW at the moment is run by people that want to make a quick buck and then sod off, not caring what will happen after they leave. It happened many times with other companies, don't see a reason why it wouldn't happen with GW.
 
I agree with Sanai here, they are perfectly logical reasons. the people who work in GW (designing and making the models,books, rules, art work, etc) all play and love the game. That doesn't sound like people who would want to make a quick buck and then sod off. Everything is increasing in price, its unfortunate but thats what happens, especially during a recession like the one we are currently in. :(
 
eastern barbarian said:

That's what I feel as well, to be honest. They've been raising the prices steadily around the same time each year for I-don't-know-how-many-years-now, and it'll most likely happen again next June. Then they repackaged the miniatures to sell fewer for more per model (in most cases, anyway), and the move from metal to plastic didn't really benefit the customers as much as it was said to do...

I'd rather see that they focus on generating interest instead of milking the customers, though they seem to be doing both at the moment. It'll reach its apex at some point, and I'm interested in seeing what will happen then.
 
But unfortunately Merenwen, the people who design the rules, do the art, etc. aren't the ones who run the company.

I see some of the staff from GW HQ come and play in warhammer world, but I never see any of the more senior staff (except John Blanch in Bugmans, but he always looks fairly miserable).

And the guy who runs warhammer world seems to hate any player old enough to drive.
 
I dont think it sounds like a PR speech at all. Its just that I am one of the few vocal people who havn't jumped onto the "I hate GW bandwagon" so when I speak logical sense I get branded as a fanboy, because its always the negative side of the argument that people are vocal about, while most of the content people don't speak up. This is why old people are always served their order first at fast food joints and minorities are the most politically powerful.
The reason games workshops prices go up regularly every year, is because everythings prices go up regularly every year. Its a basic economic concept called inflation.
 
Sanai said:
The reason games workshops prices go up regularly every year, is because everythings prices go up regularly every year. Its a basic economic concept called inflation.

As a luxury item they shouldn't try to follow everything else in that regard. Other wargaming companies manage to maintain a somewhat stable price plan while GW shoots ahead increasingly more. I'm certain that they could have handled it all differently without shifting the added expenses over on the customers. Others manage to, after all.
 
As an old git, I've seen it so many times before. Prices must , unfortunately, rise. All Sanai said is perfectly true, and will continue to be. BUT....this time there are two big differences. Firstly the generally dreadful state of the economic world. Students are hard up, sure. Some of us(oldest) workers are having to swallow pay cuts and increased hours at the same time. Personally, I now earn less than half my income from two years ago. And I work 20% more hours. But, like all of you, the bills keep going up. We all have less to spend.
Secondly, it hurts more because this is the hobby we love, and are being priced out of. Many of my sons friends are being refused warhammer by parents who simply cannot afford it-a lot of potential friends and players being left out.If we really want the hobby to continue it must grow, so let's help out. I've started an unofficial local games club for the kids in my village. They can use my models and gear, and some have convinced parents they are serious enough to spend money on the game. It lets the m try it out without being harassed by the sales pitch. We wont persuade the yen men at GW to reduce prices, so help others to get the best deals you can. You all owe it to yourselves. Ramble over.
 
Yes, now for a positive thing on prices-
"How you can try make the most out of your hobby dollar"
1# Check out hobby stores and online for secondhand minis. In the capital city of my state there is a fantastic store called tactics which sells secondhand minis in addition to all the boxed stuff. It is a great store to pick up all kinds of things.
2# Make the most out of your kits. A 10 man skelly box isnt really a 10 man box, once you have the extra bases from the grave guard box, its actually more like a 12-14 man box. The same goes for the zombie kits and etc. The zombie dragon kit for example will have 2 riders, and it shouldnt be too difficult to convert your spare rider (or 2 spare riders if you using a riderless terrogeist) into a vampire/s on foot.
3# Buy battalions. I know those big boxes are expensive, but they give you a good saving. If you are planning on having zombies, a corpse cart, skeletons and ghouls in your army, save up and buy them as a batallion, as you get around 10 free skellies that way, instead of buying the units one by one. The key is to be patient and not buy individual boxes that are available in batallions if you are planning on having all of the batallion units/more of them.
4# Keep an eye out for special offers, sales and bargains. My closest hobby store has a table on which a whole heap of metal units/boxed kits are being sold at a heavily discounted price, to try and clear them out before finecast, so check your local hobby stores for similar sales if you don't mind metal.
5# If in doubt, stick to the one army that you love the most. Do we all really need to own 3 or 4 armies? Keeping to one army will help you in the painting/focus side aswell.
6# If you have unpainted minis, ask yourself "Do I really need to add to that pile of gray plastic just yet?". If you are having troubles paying for the hobby, then this could just make things worse and make painting it all more daunting.
7# Stay positive. Think of the good things about the hobby as much as possible, as those are the things that will motivate you better. If you go dwelling too much on the costs/rules/etc, it can easily sour you to the hobbyand possibly even make you start hating it. Sure, be mindful of those things, but don't let them become the be all and end all of the hobby!
8# Quit Smoking! When you go to buy some cigarette packets, remember... drop a few packets from your weekly shopping list.... and thats almost a whole unit worth of money saved for warhammer! I know it is hard, but warhammer could potentially motivate you in quitting the habit. Heck, you could even force yourself to paint whenever you feel a craving (as cravings pass if you do something else for around 30 minutes)
9# Network with fellow gamers. Suuure, my buddy could buy the leman russ accesory kit from GW... or he could just ask me for any spare sponson bits for his tank conversion! I have found other gamers at gaming clubs are more than happy to help a new army of the ground. (I've still gotta figure out what to do with my death korps guardsmen.... perhaps i'll give them away to the next person I encounter who is trying to make a death korps army!)
 
As hairyjeff said, it is about being priced out of the hobby we love, thats why there is so much "GW hate". Because we hate to see something we love ruined in the name of greed.
Sanai- reason why I was asking you about your age, because I am interested whether you live on your own, work and pay your own bills or is it parents paying for it? (I don't mean int in the nasty way, that is a genuine question).
 
Okay eastern, its just that some people on the webs ask the age question in a mean way.
I am unemployed, I pay rent to my parents, I buy overpriced computer games, I buy overpriced music albums rather than download and I collect 3 overpriced warhammer armies. I only get a small fortnightly disabilies pension and I am saving to eventually buy myself a car when I get around to learning to drive, so I am not exactly swimming in cash, I just don't have to pay tax yet as I don't make enough for anyone to tax. I do understand that paying for education and mortgages and the like makes things harder, I just do not see any point to all of this irritating whining and arguing, its so negative!
 
Sanai, regarding your post with 9 reasons to be positive. Most of your points, while helping the hobby, involve avoiding giving money to GW!

They're all sound advice, and I do most of them.

But if you're following these points then even you've been alienated from GW and they've lost your custom, and you're the one being positive about them.
 

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