Qualify with Painting?

[Munkey]

Hi Guys,

Had an interesting discussion with the regulars at the GW tonight.

Should people be able to qualify for the GT/Throne of Skulls final on their painting skills alone?

Now I think that players who have spent a lot of time and effort in producing a fantastically painted army, for the GT/Throne of Skulls, should indeed be rewarded. However, I don't think they should get automatic qualification. I think there should be awards...but not at the expense of other gamers. As the GT/Throne of Skulls is a gaming tournament, only people who have earned their spot through playing skill, should qulaify.

The alternative is that well painted armies are a bonus at the finals and should therefore be encouraged - through automatic qualification. But does this mean I should take my dice to the Golden Daemons?

What do you guys think?

 

[Gaz Taylor]

As the GT/Throne of Skulls is a gaming tournament, only people who have earned their spot through playing skill, should qulaify.

Does that mean that we all should turn up with counters represnting the units rather than spending time assembling and painting things?

I think it's a nice reward for those folks who like to spend a bit of extra time on their armies. It's something I want to try and achieve after being to a couple of events with a dipped army and a half painted half borrowed army.

 

[Anubis]

well, it's a whole hobby right?! i feel there should be some kind of reward for going above and beyond in regards to the 'hobby' aspect of the game too! (since really, gaming is the least time-consuming part of any GW system)

now, considering it is the "grand tournament", it should still feature a higher trend towards actual genralship!

still, why not a slight comprismise between the two? if for example, let's say the top 50 from heat 1 get to move into heat 2, why not have say 45 spots awarded for outright wins/losses/total vp's, and then the 5 remaining spots considered the "hobby champion" 'top 5' slots.
the rankings could even follow thus;
- the top 5 'hobby champion' slots would be a combined score of your total genralship + painting + sports. those individuals get the 1st-5th rankings
- the 6th-50th spots are pure gaming + sports scores.


truthfully, there's a fair number of very talented painters who are also damn fine generals, but the cutthroat nature of GT gaming can leave them barely on the outside looking in...
IMHO, the grand tournament should represent the best aspects of the hobby - not just who can math-hammer better and get luckier with the dice!
so for me, the grand tournament should reward painting alot more, and also bring sportsmanship into a much bigger account... i've found recently in past couple of year's that there's far too many asses turning up and they're tarnishing the image of our hobby with their bad attitude, arrogance, poor hygine and lack of painted (or even half decently built) models!
this is first and formost a "hobby wargame". the biggest, loudest & proudest tournaments should showcase that! if i want to go play/watch cutthroat, rules-lawyering, math-hammering, win-at-all-costs style games, then i'll happily go watch the jerks who play privateer press games or magic the gathering!!!

cheers!

 

[Vlad Von Carstien]

Ya it puts a very cool spin on the tournament and what if you do bad in the qualifiers(bad rolling or your commander miscasts and dies)
If you want straight up game skill play in Ard' Boyz:thumb:

 

[Anubis]

Ya it puts a very cool spin on the tournament and what if you do bad in the qualifiers(bad rolling or your commander miscasts and dies)
If you want straight up game skill play in Ard' Boyz:thumb:

IIRC, the UK does not have an 'ard boyz style tournament? it's pretty much the 'grand' tournament that's become the 'ard boyz style!

but, perhaps wise 'ol jervis should look at a new system for the UK tournies;
- an 'ard boyz style tourny where it really is just purely about how brutally you can thrash your opponent!
- the 'grand' tournament which is the formost showcase of the GW "hobby" and brings back the so-called 'soft scores' of painting & sportmanship... (leave out comp though - it's far too personal to ever come up with a decent & fair comp system!)

this way, both sides win! the group that idolises the idea of math-hammering and being purely game-oriented have their platform with which to crush all-comers, and the large group who value all aspects of the hobby get their true showcase event!

cheers!

 

[Gaz Taylor]

but, perhaps wise 'ol jervis should look at a new system for the UK tournies;
- an 'ard boyz style tourny where it really is just purely about how brutally you can thrash your opponent!
- the 'grand' tournament which is the formost showcase of the GW "hobby" and brings back the so-called 'soft scores' of painting & sportmanship... (leave out comp though - it's far too personal to ever come up with a decent & fair comp system!)

this way, both sides win! the group that idolises the idea of math-hammering and being purely game-oriented have their platform with which to crush all-comers, and the large group who value all aspects of the hobby get their true showcase event!

Won't happen. For a start Jervis doesn't have much to do with events now as Warhammer World has it's own events team sorting that out. Next we have the fact that there are loads of indie tournaments all over the place in the UK (so many that you can easily do at least one a month), and then we have the 8th edition on the way which will turn how we play at the moment on it's head (or so the rumours suggest).

I don't have a problem with anybody with a nice army qualifying, as it's a nice reward for a lot of hard work. Plus half the guys who do have nice armies are actually really good players and would qualify anyway! :lol:

 

[Mannerheim27]

Very good points, while I agree that completed armies look fantastic on the table, the tournament is one for gaming. Some of the best players out there are terrible painters and some of the best painters suck at playing. I say that this one should be on playing skill and not painting necessarily; some people lack the ability and time to turn out these completed armies.

Jake

 

[beeblicon]

Im gonna agree with the idea that, if you wanna go for pure on the skill then go for the 'ard boys, other competitions are generally about the hobby as a whole

you have a choice to do a skill only one, should there not be an all inclusive one?

all about variety

 

[Bishop]

Yes, well painted armies belong in that type of tourney.

However, IMHO, each aspect of he hobby should carry (equal?) weight.

The Canadian Hall of Heroes format does support that mix of different hobby aspects (though iirc, actual game play is weighted higher then painting and sportsmanship).