Question about multiple Blood Knight raising.

[MVC]

the swedish faq just ruled you only get 1 wound back on vampiric, from IoN, period. 1 blood knight, not 1+level because that was too OP
yay.....

I assume he is referring to the Swedish Comp System. This is a set of comp restrictions used in some tournaments. It is only one set of comp and by no means the official rules. I believe under the same comp system you can only take a total of two Red Fury or Quickblood Vampiric powers. You are also only allowed one Terrorgheist and there are a number of other restrictions. Swedish comp is a very harsh system of comp, not the official rules. Also, if you are using this system of comp your opponents army will also be heavily comped. As for the official rules, rules as written it's 1+level Blood Knights. It will eventually get an FAQ but which way GW choose to go is anyone's guess.

 

[The Talon]

Ah ok that makes alot more sense then

 

[Yorga]

the swedish faq just ruled you only get 1 wound back on vampiric, from IoN, period. 1 blood knight, not 1+level because that was too OP
yay.....

What is the Swedish FAQ?

 

[Johnny-Crass]

Sweedish FAQ goes with the fish and the comp. Normally I like their comp system but this is reaching somewhat.

 

[Yorga]

Oh then this is NOT Official. Just like ETC and their extra rules. I wonder if the ETC and Swedes will reverse their positions when Phil gets around to clearing this up?

 

[Count Matthewzilla]

So, not an offical GW FAQ. pft.../Ignored.

 

[Melle]

No not official.
I edited my post to avoid confusion.
sorry.

 

[Count Matthewzilla]

Oh, no biggie. I just read that and was like dang, until i read further. /sigh though as we still have no offical ruling on this. I run BK in my lists all the time so I need this.

 

[BloodbathMcGrath]

So, RAW aside, do we think Blood Knights really need so much resurrection potential? I mean, people say they are over priced, but compare chaos knights- add lances and rile up their unit with banner of rage or mark of khorne for frenzy and aren't they just as similarly priced?? Granted chaos knights are -1 strength, but get +1 with their weapons and the added benefit of magic attacks; chaos knights have 1+ AS compared to Blood Knight's 2+, but strength 7 charging and Blood Knights must accept challenges.

All in all though, aren't they relatively similar and similarly priced? (not in dollars though.......:frown
Unless I am completely mistaken, blood knights ARE 50 pts, right?

 

[Johnny-Crass]

Bloods will be plastic soon. Thus I think I know which way the FAQ will fall.

 

[Count Matthewzilla]

How do you know they are going plastic?

 

[Johnny-Crass]

Was announced at Games Day

 

[Count Matthewzilla]

Oh. Well hopefully our FAQ is coming with them then.:konrad:

 

[Chaos_Born]

Yeah there may be another wave of vamps stuff accompanied by the FAQ.

What other stuff might there be though? We aren't really missing anything are we?

 

[Johnny-Crass]

Maybe new bats, a terror model, new bloods and new zeds?

 

[Yorga]

Bloods will be plastic soon. Thus I think I know which way the FAQ will fall.

If that is true then we'll certainly get the favorable ruling and thanks Johnny. I'll hold off on the Dragon prince conversions.

Yeah there may be another wave of vamps stuff accompanied by the FAQ.

What other stuff might there be though? We aren't really missing anything are we?

I think GW is losing sales to Mantic's zombies since their's kind of suck. So I see that as being a new release. The current zombies have been around forever. I think since they went from metel to plastic.

Plastic Fellbats and new bat swarms would be welcome. Might be a combo kit. Sort of like Rat Ogres and Giant Rats are for Skaven?

 

[Velmates]

Hopefully this ugly stuff that they have put in a microwave oven and are now selling as Spirit Hosts...

Frankly, I could live with the actual Zombie sculpts. They look at least like something (even if it is not much). That said I hope we get new ones... I ever did since I first started VC in 6th and restarted them now in 8th...

 

[BloodbathMcGrath]

If those puppies go plastic and keep the same bad ass molds, I might HAVE to buy some blood knights!

Also, yeah I agree GW will be losing practically all of my business for core units to Mantic. GW specials are just that- I actually find the VC's special units interesting and original And then the bats and heroes, I found more inspirational models from the reaper website...

Plus Mantic has a cheaper, nicer carrying case lol so I might end up just getting banned from Games Workshop stores, since over half of my stuff will be representing other fine companies...

Back on topic though; I see plastic Blood Knights equating to FAQ saying RAW is intended so that people will be buying them bad boys up!

 

[Chaos_Born]

If those puppies go plastic and keep the same bad ass molds, I might HAVE to buy some blood knights!

Perhaps if they halve in price I'll join you, otherwise

 

[Bullhax]

Yes please!!!! I've discussed this with a couple of other gamers and they were sure that you could only raise one BK/hexwraith (I haven't got any BK's so the discussion was on the hexwraiths).. I hope they will faq it in the favor of the 1+ caster level since it's not that op as some people have so thoroughly explained already..

Wow didn't know about them comming as plastic, great news was thinking about picking some up, but have pushed it, 1. because of the price tag, 2. because of the finecasting stuff (that I find to be 'meh') New Zeds would be awesome and from a business point of view needed to compete, pure wishlisting on my part would be zombies like the ones on the corps cart with a bucketload of diffirent arm and leg swabs, hooks, sown together limbs wooden legs and the likes - if the models are bad we can steal the arms / legs and improve our mantic models insted... (wow went a bit OT out of pure excitment, I hope I will be forgiven)

 

[BloodbathMcGrath]

pure wishlisting on my part would be zombies like the ones on the corps cart with a bucketload of diffirent arm and leg swabs, hooks, sown together limbs wooden legs and the likes

http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/zombie/release/02984
http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/zombie/release/59020

^
Too pricey for a whole horde, but make cool champions, I think.

Sooooo does this thread seem to be in agreeance that Blood Knights aren't overpowered even if you could revive an entire rank of them?

 

[Elbisrever]

I have the bad habit of rolling extremely bad on my saves. Yes, a 2+ save is good, but anything that is str 4 ( and/or armor piercing) and I am sure to lose sufficient models because of (magic) missle fire. Ofcourse, that is all about chance, but T4 and W1 is not much. Considering that you prolly wont be fielding more then 7 of them, you'll loose them very quickly if your opponent focusses his fire for one turn. And that's a lot of lost points. Basically what I'm saying is that they are pretty much glass cannons for me. Or maybe glass nuclear warheads for that matter.

So to conclude, YES I agree that they are not overpowered through raising. If the FAQ turn out in our favor, I'm gonna buy 5 extra so I have 10 of them. I don't care how expensive it will be in points, but they will reach the other side and they will cause massacre!

 

[Friendly Dead]

Argh bitterness

I just finished converting and painting a unit of 7 Blood Knights and now they may go plastic?

While I'm happy with the result I'd prefer the GW models if not for the price tag. Grumble... I won't buy the new models..I won't...umf..sigh

 

[Elbisrever]

To (sort of) end the doubt in this thread, the FAQ killed the beautiful idea of multiple BK raising. Same will go for Hexwraiths...:grave:

 

[TobiasRathein]

That is not necessarily true regarding ethereal units. The truth is that none of us really know; we can pretend that we do, but the guys at GW very specifically ruled how IoN works only for vampiric units.

Take it as you will, but remember how many of you argued that GW's intent was for Banshees and Terrorgheists to be able to scream only in combats they are involved in, and we now see which direction that has gone. As such, my group will continue to play IoN as it is written in the books and the FAQ.