Question on Blood

[Johnny-Crass]

It makes night goblin wizards cannibals

 

[JonWilko]

I think that the Dragon Blood 'cure' is hinted in the background of Nagash's elixir of life. If I remember correctly, Nerferata's copy of the elixir was incomplete so instead of being immortal she became the first vampire. The elixir is in the blood of all vampires, hence the 'curse' (blessing) being passed through blood. The vampire craves the missing part of the elixir (hence blood drinking) and by drinking dragon blood (the missing ingredient), they are cured of the thirst. This is assuming that this isn't all just a figment of my imagination... :slapface:
On the Orc/fungus cannibal point, they probably are or they are at least in the 40k Ork version.

 

[Mello]

Although that'd make some kind of sense. Considering how resourceful and powerful Neferata was, getting some Dragon blood would have been pretty damn easy for her.

The sense I get is that dragon blood is either magical or "a good quality blood" and so sates the thirst. I'm not sure if anyone else agrees

 

[Lynks]

Nagash's elixir still required you to keep on drinking it if you wanted to enjoy it's benefits though- that's how he kept his dreadlords in line as only he knew how to make it. There wasn't a craving for it like vampires suffer but still a need for upkeep. As far as I know, drinking the blood of a dragon stops your cravings but you still get to keep all the benefits.

 

[Shareya]

Nagash's elixir still required you to keep on drinking it if you wanted to enjoy it's benefits though- that's how he kept his dreadlords in line as only he knew how to make it. There wasn't a craving for it like vampires suffer but still a need for upkeep. As far as I know, drinking the blood of a dragon stops your cravings but you still get to keep all the benefits.

Actually (according to the books) Nagash minions did suffer quite a bit if they did not get their Masters elixir every few months or so. The addiction it seemed to cause seemed to be even worse then what Vampires suffer.
Edit: The few months seemed to be the limit before they go bonkers, from what I remember "usually" they got to enjoy the elixir much, much more often then that. Specially during times of war when they needed the elixirs power to fuel them.

Quotes:
"The thirst was terrible. Every vein in his body was shrivelled and aching"
"The vizier tore the goblet from the mad slave’s hands and gulped greedily at its contents, all thoughts of war and conquest forgotten."

There is a throwaway quote by a von Carstein vampire in there where she comments on Dwarf blood being thick, flat and dull, and elven blood being thin and watery (and not very nutritious to boot). And thus neither being particularly palatable and desireable.

In "Neferata" consuming Druchii blood carelessly actually lead tooo:
"She was careful not to gulp down the blood that burst into her mouth, having seen the effects it had had on one of her handmaidens who hadn’t been so cautious. The vampire had collapsed as if drugged, and had yet to awaken."

Also Neferata being turned into a vampire was one wierd mix of...well everything. A flawed elixer, the poison of a phinx, Arkhams little ritual, the removal of her blood, the addition of Arkhams blood and then poof x)

Uhm also I might have missed the post but was there not a Vampire who got lucky and consumed the blood of an ancient dragon and his powers ( magical ) grew dramatically due to it?

 

[Lynks]

Well, my reasoning is because the elixir and vampirism sort of work on a reverse mechanic. With the elixir, the more you had the more you wanted. With vamprisim, while it takes a long time you can eventually greatly increase the times between when you need to feed.

I'm not denying there's a craving there, but saying that it's less a cause of the elixir itself and more a result of a commonplace addiction.

You might be thinking of Zacharias the everling. He definitely drunk the blood of a dragon but it's a little bit iffy just how much the blood actually does for him other than cure his thirst

 

[Shareya]

Well, my reasoning is because the elixir and vampirism sort of work on a reverse mechanic. With the elixir, the more you had the more you wanted. With vamprisim, while it takes a long time you can eventually greatly increase the times between when you need to feed.

I'm not denying there's a craving there, but saying that it's less a cause of the elixir itself and more a result of a commonplace addiction.

You might be thinking of Zacharias the everling. He definitely drunk the blood of a dragon but it's a little bit iffy just how much the blood actually does for him other than cure his thirst

Why I actually believe the elixir is worse then vamprism. More you have, the more of a Nagash bi-...servant you will be!

I will also try to find what the damned vamps name was, it was ages, ages ago since I got told/read about him. All I recall was he served some powerful master, tried to usurp him, got his butt kicked, crawled away, was hiding in some cave, a dragon just happend to walz in and fall asleep, he found a soft spot and spent years and years drinking it dry. After that he got more powerful, returned, kicked his masters butt anddd after that it's extra foggy.

 

[Mello]

Seems pretty damn Zacharias to me.

Er.. Interesting point about the elixir being better than vampirism. I'd kind of disaster there. It just happens that Nagash owned all the elixir, which does offer a better quality of life than vampirism. If Nagash owned all blood and the elixir, elixir would be much better.

 

[Shareya]

Seems pretty damn Zacharias to me.

Er.. Interesting point about the elixir being better than vampirism. I'd kind of disaster there. It just happens that Nagash owned all the elixir, which does offer a better quality of life than vampirism. If Nagash owned all blood and the elixir, elixir would be much better.

Even if you owned all the elixir and had free reign on it, it would start to wreck your body ( from what I understood ) and you would be consuming it probably daily if not even more often. At least older vampires can last a bit without blood and do not fall apart as quickly. Though of course I might be very wrong here but to me the elixirs physical effects seemed quite bad.

 

[Lynks]

I think Lucifer was referencing the fact that blood is a whole lot easier to come by than the elixir. His point is that were both as accessible, then to drink the elixir and be one of nagash's immortals would be better than being a vampire

 

[Shareya]

I think Lucifer was referencing the fact that blood is a whole lot easier to come by than the elixir. His point is that were both as accessible, then to drink the elixir and be one of nagash's immortals would be better than being a vampire

I understood, still believe it's worse however x) *stuborn*

 

[Mello]

er ok then, not sure how I can convert you vampirism any more.

Well I guess the need to not have to kill people to stay alive is a plus, you could actually live a pretty normal life.

 

[Lynks]

er ok then, not sure how I can convert you vampirism any more.

Well I guess the need to not have to kill people to stay alive is a plus, you could actually live a pretty normal life.

... apart from the killing people to make the elixir...

 

[Mello]

shhh!!! he doesn't need to know that. It is much less obvious anyways, you're not drinking their insides at the scene. Just later on your own.

 

[Shareya]

er ok then, not sure how I can convert you vampirism any more.

Well I guess the need to not have to kill people to stay alive is a plus, you could actually live a pretty normal life.

Do you mean that the elixir does not require a kill? Sorry if I misunderstood!

 

[Shareya]

shhh!!! he doesn't need to know that. It is much less obvious anyways, you're not drinking their insides at the scene. Just later on your own.

How did I miss this...*grin* The elixir seems to need mortal suffering (and eventual death), so instead of drinking on the scene you spend quite sometime torturing a innocent before finally killing her or him.

So again, not better! *stuborness continues*

 

[Get of W'soran]

shhh!!! he doesn't need to know that. It is much less obvious anyways, you're not drinking their insides at the scene. Just later on your own.

How did I miss this...*grin* The elixir seems to need mortal suffering (and eventual death), so instead of drinking on the scene you spend quite sometime torturing a innocent before finally killing her or him.

So again, not better! *stuborness continues*

Vampirism>Nagash's elixer.

Especially if you're a Trueborn vampire! :tongue:

Besides the food source is just so much more abundant for vampires and they can spread their "Blessing" to others

 

[Shareya]

shhh!!! he doesn't need to know that. It is much less obvious anyways, you're not drinking their insides at the scene. Just later on your own.

How did I miss this...*grin* The elixir seems to need mortal suffering (and eventual death), so instead of drinking on the scene you spend quite sometime torturing a innocent before finally killing her or him.

So again, not better! *stuborness continues*

Vampirism>Nagash's elixer.

Especially if you're a Trueborn vampire! :tongue:

Besides the food source is just so much more abundant for vampires and they can spread their "Blessing" to others

/stomps on the mark of approval