Red fury in challenges regarding overkill

[Fluffytemplar]

So I haven't found anything about this anywhere which leads me to believe there's a very simple answer somewhere I haven't found, I kind of hope that isn't the case.

I was locked in a challenge with my combat vampire lord a while back and managed to kill my opponent without having to use my red fury attacks. I believe he had 2 wounds, and I did 3.

Now I was about to go ahead and roll my red fury attacks for the purposes of overkill to mitigate combat res when my opponent and really all of my gaming club told me I could not since my opponent was already dead and therefore I had no one to attack.

Since Red fury is still made during your initiative turn, I figured he'd just keep on pilling on wounds for the intimidating overkill, but I also kind of agree where they're coming from.

And if I am right, I suppose the next part to this question would be would I get 2 more attacks or 3? I can't technically do more wounds to him than he has, but I did cause 3 unsaved wounds.

In case anyone is wondering, this did cause me to lose combat and crumble away my general so I was a little conflicted over it as the extra overkill would have assuredly kept him alive.

Anyone else been in a similar situation?

 

[Duke Danse Macabre]

Red fury attacks are made at the same time, in essence there is no breaks in the attack so you still get to make them in challenges, the only difference is you don't find out how many you have until after the beginning of your attack.

You may if memory serves do up to 5 wounds overkill, so if he had 3 wounds you could claim 8 max.

I find when people argue this, they know the rule, they just don't want to lose so they grasp at straws, its a sad thing really as it takes the fun out of the game.

 

[Johnny-Crass]

Yupp read fury attacks are made at the same time thus can turn into overkill.

 

[Fluffytemplar]

It's always a relief to find out I was right all along.

Thanks guys

 

[Grish]

In 7th red fury stated that you made extra attacks per wound, so in this case, you would have 2 additional attacks, not 3. Unsure if 8th has changed the wording.

 

[bigbadbat]

In regards to a challenge and the overkill rule he would get three more attacks, but could only get +5CR per the rule.

Lets say VL with sword of bloodshed challenges character... In following combat Vamp does 7 wounds... Seven more attacks for a total of 5 wounds for example. 12 total wounds! Again only providing +5 CR.

 

[Duke Danse Macabre]

Just to clarify as well in a instance where you're foe has 4 wounds and you cause 6, you get 6 more attacks but regardless of the number of wounds those further attacks cause you will only gain another 3 to the rez taking you to 4 for wounds and 5 for max over kill.

 

[MadLarkin]

Yes, because a challenge allows you to inflict extra wounds for overkill you would be allowed to use all extra wounds for red fury attacks