Red Fury?

[Bigpig]

Wondering everyone's thoughts on the effectiveness of Red Fury.

At 50pts it is quite pricey. After using it heavily on my Strigoi Lord since the new book came out I am contemplating if something else is better.

Since it can't be used with GW, I am "limited" to Str 5 ( 6 with sword of might ). This means against most elite infanty I will be doing 3 wounds per turn and get 2 to 3 wounds past armor meaning I do on average an extra 2ish wounds per turn.

In your experience, has this been worth 50points?

 

[Trevy the Great]

On a lord!? Of course!
The extra attacks granted by this power have certainly been worth the 50 pts. On a hero it isn't as powerful, as it sucks up all of your bloodline points and a hero vamp doesn't have the stats to make it worthwhile, but with a lord it most certainly is.
Remember, fighting elite infantry means that you're getting an extra 15 pts. or so with every extra wound. By your logic, two turns in combat means that the upgrade has payed off!

 

[Spartan]

I would agree on a Lord worth the points on a hero they are better spent on other things.

 

[Danceman]

I voted, go for it but I would like to extend this to; Go for it if you army allows it. Will your army benefit for it more than, lets say a caster lord. In a word, synergy.

 

[DarkDonkeyNinja]

It can work with a lance to get to strength 7. I only ever use it with a Lord and that auto-hit Lance, which I also combine with that +1 toughness armour. I have seen it used very successfully with a hero using Sword of battle, 9-inch movement item and 2+ armour.

 

[Bauglir]

Evening chaps.

Since it can't be used with GW, I am "limited" to Str 5 ( 6 with sword of might ).

Correct me if I am wrong. But combining Avathar of Dead (heavy armour, great weapon) and Red Fury is legal. Moreover, Dread Knight (lance,...) and Red Fury. Or going over the top completely: Dreadlance/Red Fury.
These combo's will give you instant S7 attacks.

So, yes. I voted pro Red Fury on a combat lord that is. Like stated here. I would not take on a thrall.

Yours
B

 

[Master Vampire]

Since it can't be used with GW, I am "limited" to Str 5 ( 6 with sword of might ).

Correct me if I am wrong. But combining Avathar of Dead (heavy armour, great weapon) and Red Fury is legal.

Hmm from my point of view it isn't. Avatar of Death allows you to take a great weapon an therefore counts as having a GW. Besides, a Vampire can only have a GW via Avatar of Death (Black Axe is for Wight Kings only), so the sentence 'cannot be combined with a GW' under Red Fury probably relates to that.

Or going over the top completely: Dreadlance/Red Fury.

There's nothing preventing you to take this. So I guess it's legal.

 

[Skaramak von Carstein]

I would say yes (and do), but as ever it depends on the rest of the army build

 

[Nikkelhero]

Definitely worth the points...and for many of the reasons already stated.

For me personally, I usually do not take the Dreadlance as I feel like I can spend the points elsewhere. Teaming Red Fury with Infinite Hatred is a much cheaper alternative, and almost equally effective.

 

[Bauglir]

Master Vampire

You're right about the avatar of death/red fury combo. I've re-read the rule. My bad.

@ Nikklehero
I also don't take Dreadlance very often. However, I've tried it out in one of my recent battles and it does wonders.

This was my lord:
lv 3 upgrade, riding a Hellsteed
Avatar of Death (heavy armour, shield)
Dark Acolyte
Red Fury
Wristbands of Black Gold
Dreadlance

Otherwise I usually go for infinite hatred, sword of might, red fury,...

Yours
B

 

[Disciple of Nagash]

You can combine AoD & Red Fury - providing you either choose the different weapon options, or you choose a magic weapon.

Red Fury is one of our better abilities, and on a combat Lord I would almost always consider (never for a hero as mentioned though).

Personally I dislike choosing the Dread Lance though - I find it too costly. I would go for:

Dread Knight
Red Fury
Infinite Hatred
Walach's Bloody hauberk

and then form there it varies. In a unit of Blood Knights I might take the Bloodrinker for obvious reasons. But otherwise the sword of might or the Balefire Spike are very respectable weapons.

Either way you end up with 4 re-rollable attacks that also confers hatred to your mount, can generate another 4 attacks, but you also get decent defense with a 1+ armour save and 5+ ward.

 

[Bigpig]

What about combining Nightshroud with the Dreadlance. It would seem that being able to strike first would overcome the inherent weakness from having a low armor save

 

[DarkDonkeyNinja]

The 'Dreadlance' is a Lance, it is wasted if you are not charging and you should break most units on the charge, so you don't need to worry to much about armour and dread knight or that 2+ magic armour are more than enough if you decide you need armour. Nightshroud just seems redundant to me.

 

[Abh0rash]

I also just wanted to say that I'd also go for the lord with the auto-hit lance and red fury. That's just a disgusting amount of attacks.

I haven't used it myself, since I had been taking a support lord and maybe a combat hero...but I'm thinking that maybe I should take the combat lord and a few support heroes. The only reason why I liked the support lord was to give him the helm of commandment, and watch and laugh as WS3 troops suddenly need 5+ to hit my zombies.