Screaming banner

[Tou84]

this is a mathematical and gameplay effecting item for just 25 points

everybody knows how much it can change the outcome of the fight
if and when the opponent is reduced to ws1

Now for the mathematical part could some math wiz whip up a table
that what is the percentual advantage of having the banner vs relying
on basic fear test?

 

[Melle]

there were a thread with a link to a table with graphs and stats about this somewhere on this forum a few months ago.
can't remember who it where

 

[Velmates]

^ so that's the reason why I want a new tactic thread...

https://www.vampirecounts.net/Thread-General-and-unit-specific-tactics-collection

 

[Johnny-Crass]

The banner is garbage unless you are tailoring the list saddly.

 

[akiro27]

The banner is garbage unless you are tailoring the list saddly.

I have never been able to get it to work for me - how far do you have to go to get that thing to work? Does it ever really pay off in a list type for you, Johnny?

-aki

 

[Johnny-Crass]

If I know I am playing a army that does not have ITP (Ogres, HE, Empire, Beastmen, Goblins) or Cold Blooded (which is one of the best rules in the game ) then it can work but honestly I hate tailoring a list so no I have never made it work reliably

 

[Vectra]

i did some math on this when i started VCs.
https://www.vampirecounts.net/Thread-Mathhammer-on-fearbombing

i played it for a long time, but i have had very limited success with it, so i have switched out of it. usually the opponent will have roughly a 50/50 chance of passing the test and that means 50% chance that i win the battle an 50% chance that i lose the battle. i absolutely hate those kinds of odds. you are betting a lot on a single roll of the dice.

 

[Vipoid]

I've used it several times, and have been disappointed every time.

There are far too many units with Immune to Psychology, or simply Fear for it to be even remotely reliable. And, most of the time you're only giving yourself 50/50 odds, which is hardly ideal.

Furthermore, there are 2 units that I'd like to use the banner with (GG and Ghouls). Now the GG already have a better banner (Banner of the Barrows), and the Ghouls can't take banners. So, I'd have to either shell out for a character just to carry the banner, or use the banner on a tarpit unit (zombies or skeletons). Since neither is desirable, I just don't use the banner.

 

[kevin.hopkins7]

Don't have my book on me but zombies aren't really a choice for this either, they can't take a magic banner(can they?), so that naked BSB would be thrown in there as well. Definitely bad investment.

 

[frankenstine]

i never rated it it just didnt seem worth the points

 

[Vipoid]

Don't have my book on me but zombies aren't really a choice for this either, they can't take a magic banner(can they?), so that naked BSB would be thrown in there as well. Definitely bad investment.

No, you're right - zombies can't take a magic banner.

 

[rothgar13]

It's something to take a flier on if you're already bringing Skeletons, but I'd just not bring Skeletons instead.

 

[Greven]

It can work with some kind of death star, if it also includes a Fear Incarnate vampire

 

[The Sun King]

It can work with some kind of death star, if it also includes a Fear Incarnate vampire

I'm curious Greven... what kind of deathstar are you refering to - and what tactical advantages do you think the banner brings to the table over other alternatives(like banner of eternal flame, razor standard, barrows, magic res banner etc.)?

I really like the idea about fearbombing but as I've said other places it's really too much of an investment for too little output. Having a vamp with AoDM(saving grace is that this power is actually good in a variety of situations), Fear Incarnate and probably bsb to have the banner itself is in the 200 points price range.

 

[Greven]

I'm curious Greven... what kind of deathstar are you refering to - and what tactical advantages do you think the banner brings to the table over other alternatives(like banner of eternal flame, razor standard, barrows, magic res banner etc.)?

I played a BK bus with a few chars in it. The unit included a Screaming Banner and a Barrows banner, Fear Incarnate on a char and Aura of Dark Majesty on one. This was against High Elves, and reducing them to WS 1 (which actually did happen) was really nice for the BK's attacks (hitting on 2+), and to reduce incomming hits (they were hitting on 5+)..

I only tried this once, but it worked out really well there...

 

[The Sun King]

Interesting, well it's still a hefty investent(AoDM, Fear Incarnate and Screaming Banner is 85 points and that is not counting the character(s) bearing them).

Which bring me to another point, I think that Fearbomb is more of a defensive buff than an offensive one. Taken on skellies yeah the fearbomb is both(they hit on 4+ we hit on 3+.. tables turned sucker! ) but on a deathstar I think that it would be more defensive since you would be fighting with higher WS(3 in the case of BK's) which makes us even harder to hit(5+ but we still hit on 3+... unless barrows... always take barrows).

 

[Greven]

Interesting, well it's still a hefty investent(AoDM, Fear Incarnate and Screaming Banner is 85 points and that is not counting the character(s) bearing them).

Which bring me to another point, I think that Fearbomb is more of a defensive buff than an offensive one. Taken on skellies yeah the fearbomb is both(they hit on 4+ we hit on 3+.. tables turned sucker! ) but on a deathstar I think that it would be more defensive since you would be fighting with higher WS(3 in the case of BK's) which makes us even harder to hit(5+ but we still hit on 3+... unless barrows... always take barrows).

Yeah, I would only use Screaming Banner on WS 3+.. Ie GGs or BKs, and still in combination with a Barrows Banner

 

[The Sun King]

Maybe I should try it some day. (Kan være jeg skal prøve det en dag)