SOPA, PIPA and ACTA
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Pietr Von Carstein
Varghulf
Signed and shared on the various sites. Whether anyone will take notice of me is another thing entirely though.
Pietr Von Carstein
Varghulf
Well its being signed tomorrow, today actually seeing as its after midnight, so there is not much else I could do.
spineyrequiem
Necromancer
I've heard that governments have occasionally been known to back down or give concessions when there are widespread riots giving a clear message (and when I say widespread, I mean enough of them to overwhelm the police force across the whole country). This is not an incitement to riot, just thought you might like to know...
I dunno, in France, anything is an incitement to riot
.Here in Australia, you couldn't get a person to be bothered rioting if you marched into their home and shot their grandma.
Pietr Von Carstein
Varghulf
spineyrequiem said:
Riots are not the answer.
When it gets signed maybe there will be some form of peaceful protest.
darknesseternal
Varghulf
Sanai said:
I dunno, in France, anything is an incitement to riot
Here in Australia, you couldn't get a person to be bothered rioting if you marched into their home and shot their grandma.
That would be because the majority of people here tend to understand that the wanton destruction of someone else's property is a criminal act and not the right thing to do.
I have zero time and tolerance for rioting. It's bullshit. Whatever relevant issue or debate that the riot is meant to be about or protesting about is completely lost in the shambles of people using it as an excuse to go out and steal and destroy things. Just look at the riots that happened in the UK last year, what a fucking joke.
That doesnt par with common australian attitudes. The majority of people do not care that it is illegal to go through a rounabout without indicating, to honk your horn out of impatience rather than to warn of danger, to litter all over the place or to speed. My experience is that many australians are at best ignorant and at worst downright contemptuous of the law.
darknesseternal
Varghulf
Sanai said:
I thought we were talking about riots and rioting and not about obeying road rules? Are you seriously telling me that you are comparing the two as being on equal footing? :slapface:
That's like suggesting that not buying a ticket on public transport is as bad as assaulting someone. They are both illegal, but you are not going to be jailed for not having a ticket, are you?
My point is that the lack of rioting isnt caused by a deep respect for law and order, its more that most would rather just go about their normal day than put special effort into trying to change something.
Alright, I've honestly not read the third page of this debate, but let me throw in my two cents and clear some things up.
I'm a military man. I serve my country, get shot at, thrown into radiation filled disaster areas, fed caustic shit from the chow hall, and get paid a meager wage for it. I loved my country enough to sign my name on the dotted line and do such.
But I'm sure as hell not retiring in America.
I dislike the American People. I dislike the American Gov't. I dislike the corruption, the lies, and the assumptions of entitlement. I also dislike incorrect assumptions, so let me clear something up right quick.
America Is Not A Democracy. IT's a Federal Republic. 'Democracy' hasn't been in effect for the entirety of our existence as a country. A working mans vote doesn't go for president, it goes for the 'Popular Vote', which is basically used as a Gallup poll to see who's where in the election, and doesn't have real weight. A working mans vote goes toward the Electoral College, whom can then -disagree- with their constituents vote and vote for whomever they please. The working man does not get a direct say in their President at all. Ever. The closest thing to a representational democracy we have is the House of Representatives and Congress, since they're directly voted on by the people, but even then there's so much red tape and Checks/Balances in place that the peoples word doesn't mean nearly as much as it should.
There. Said that bit.
ACTA needs to die. <--- Meaningful addition to existing debate. Yarr.
I'm a military man. I serve my country, get shot at, thrown into radiation filled disaster areas, fed caustic shit from the chow hall, and get paid a meager wage for it. I loved my country enough to sign my name on the dotted line and do such.
But I'm sure as hell not retiring in America.
I dislike the American People. I dislike the American Gov't. I dislike the corruption, the lies, and the assumptions of entitlement. I also dislike incorrect assumptions, so let me clear something up right quick.
America Is Not A Democracy. IT's a Federal Republic. 'Democracy' hasn't been in effect for the entirety of our existence as a country. A working mans vote doesn't go for president, it goes for the 'Popular Vote', which is basically used as a Gallup poll to see who's where in the election, and doesn't have real weight. A working mans vote goes toward the Electoral College, whom can then -disagree- with their constituents vote and vote for whomever they please. The working man does not get a direct say in their President at all. Ever. The closest thing to a representational democracy we have is the House of Representatives and Congress, since they're directly voted on by the people, but even then there's so much red tape and Checks/Balances in place that the peoples word doesn't mean nearly as much as it should.
There. Said that bit.
ACTA needs to die. <--- Meaningful addition to existing debate. Yarr.
As I said, the American government mayaswell be honest about it all and actually just openly auction of the Presidency each term. Id respect them a bit more for their honesty and directness.
Bravo_10 said:Apparently our government doesn't have much international respect...
But on the plus side the world can dislike you more, hell the Chinese and Germans are miles ahead in terms of popularity.
darknesseternal
Varghulf
Sanai said:
You mean a special effort like those protesters did yesterday in Canberra when they tried to attack the PM and the leader of the Opposition? Have you seen the reaction to that 'special effort'? It has done nothing for the Aboriginal protesters cause, just made them look like a bunch of criminals and welfare losers.
And that is my point, rioting is stupid and does not aid any cause, only derails it.
By the way, ACTA is a very evil thing, and the fact that it had something like 75+ law professors in the US petitioning the government about it infringing on civil rights just tells you how bad it is. I read that part of it will allow them, the committee, to make amendments without having to seek public and legal review?! And due process will go flying out the window. It reminds me very much of a lot of the changes that Bush tried to force through post 911, where they tried to ignore the law in a lot of situations.
Im talking about the average australian, not the most extreme faction of a minority group. What they did was idiotic, and today they burned the australian flag. Also, have you heard what their demands were? They demanded sovereignty over the entire continent of australia, not equality, but complete domination.
Anyways, my point is that the average australian goes to a bbq or has drinks with friends on australia day rather than attacking government officials.
I'm just angry that I work for those American Beaurocratic Idiots who do anything but their job. I'm all about taking longer lunchbreaks if you're able to, and your work load isn't suffocating, but whenever the national debt crisis isn't fixed and only 1/2 of the frikkin' committee shows up for the week prior to a complete gov't Default....Well....I think we should institude a firing line. One bullet for each ten minutes you're late to the assembly. Problem solved.
Anyways. there are extremists and minority fringe groups in every culture and every Gov't. They're mostly idiots, but they usually stand for good points taken in the wrong direction. I can't blame idiots for being idiots, but I can blame ignorants (Is that a word?) for being ignorant.
Idiots are like allergies. You have to deal with them every year, but you don't have to forget to wipe your nose so the rest of the world doesn't see them.
Anyways. there are extremists and minority fringe groups in every culture and every Gov't. They're mostly idiots, but they usually stand for good points taken in the wrong direction. I can't blame idiots for being idiots, but I can blame ignorants (Is that a word?) for being ignorant.
Idiots are like allergies. You have to deal with them every year, but you don't have to forget to wipe your nose so the rest of the world doesn't see them.
Had a big argument with my little brother about Sopa, hes pretty computer savvy, but boy is he naive.
He thinks that because his IP rotates every now and then that it would not be possible for america to prove if he pirated or not.
I tried to explain to him that EVERYTHING anyone puts on the internet, anywhere at any time, is accessable and not secure.
He does not believe me when I say that every email or mobile phone call ever made in the entire world is monitored and run through software an read as if privacy didn't exist.
He thinks that because his IP rotates every now and then that it would not be possible for america to prove if he pirated or not.
I tried to explain to him that EVERYTHING anyone puts on the internet, anywhere at any time, is accessable and not secure.
He does not believe me when I say that every email or mobile phone call ever made in the entire world is monitored and run through software an read as if privacy didn't exist.