I don't have my BRB with me and I can't for the life of me remember whether you can take a lance when you aren't mounted or not...
Thanks in advance!
Thanks in advance!
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Vampire May Be Given magical equipment up to X amount.
Dreadlance XX points...
Does he have to be mounted?
Dreadlance XX points...
Does he have to be mounted?
hehe creative thinker, I like that.
Lances can only be used if mounted. Check out the weapons rules in the BRB.
Lances can only be used if mounted. Check out the weapons rules in the BRB.
Hmm, not sure about that. I think that you can use a lance when you are on foot, you just won't get the strength bonus when you charge. Could be wrong on this one though (Also no BRB with me)
the BRB has a list of weapons (two lists actually one CC and one shoting)
Each item in the list has a title. This is then followed by the rules for that item.
The title for lance is:
Lance (mounted only)
Each item in the list has a title. This is then followed by the rules for that item.
The title for lance is:
Lance (mounted only)
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So, if a Lance is 'mounted only', does the user of a Dreadlance lose the 'Hits Automatically' rule if he is dismounted?
So, if a Lance is 'mounted only', does the user of a Dreadlance lose the 'Hits Automatically' rule if he is dismounted?
Veskarin the Dark Bladed said:
I have had a number of debates about this one, it's really hard to answer. I lean toward he can still use the lance. He was legally allowed to take it, he is legally required to use it if he has it. There is no third legality that states he ceases to use it if dismounted.
However there are valid arguments on both sides of the story, and if common sense is allowed in, you would probably disallow it.
manaknight
Ghoul
I don't have the English BSB, but in the Spanish one it is clearly stated in page 56 (Close Combat Weapons) that the Cavarly lance is only for mounted miniatures. Therefore, the lance can not be used if the model is mounted, since its a Cavarly lance. Notice that there are different rules for lances (shorter versions), which can be used both on foot and mounted, but the cavarly lances (those that give +2S when charging) are only for mounted models.
If a model is dismounted (for example, if he is riding a monster that gets killed) then he discards the lance. For fluffy reasons, I guess it is too heavy to handle it on foot. It is legal to take it, but you can't use it (such as choosing a shield and a GW).
If a model is dismounted (for example, if he is riding a monster that gets killed) then he discards the lance. For fluffy reasons, I guess it is too heavy to handle it on foot. It is legal to take it, but you can't use it (such as choosing a shield and a GW).
You can't take the Dreadlance if you're on foot, just like manaknight says.
Though, if your on a monster/horse and it gets killed, the dreadlance loses it's function as a lance and therefore it's benefit. One can not benefit from the rules if not the terms are met (eg, mount)
Though, if your on a monster/horse and it gets killed, the dreadlance loses it's function as a lance and therefore it's benefit. One can not benefit from the rules if not the terms are met (eg, mount)
I'd argue he couldn't use it.
In the weapons section, it says under "List of Weapons" (pg. 55 MRB)
"Sometimes a weapon has two different entries, one referring to the use of that weapon made by infantry (and other models on foot), and the other referring to mounted models (cavalry and models riding monsters or chariots).
Then, on pg. 56 of the MRB it says:
LANCES (MOUNTED ONLY)
There is no entry for using a lance on foot, therefore, I would say he can't use it. If he can somehow remount during the game, he would regain the use of it.
In the weapons section, it says under "List of Weapons" (pg. 55 MRB)
"Sometimes a weapon has two different entries, one referring to the use of that weapon made by infantry (and other models on foot), and the other referring to mounted models (cavalry and models riding monsters or chariots).
Then, on pg. 56 of the MRB it says:
LANCES (MOUNTED ONLY)
There is no entry for using a lance on foot, therefore, I would say he can't use it. If he can somehow remount during the game, he would regain the use of it.
Side note. If a character has a magic close combat weapon he can´t use any other close combat weapon. So if the lance gets discarded he is defacto weaponless.
Should models allways have hand weapon of some kind? regardless of any magic whacking item they may have?
He doesn't need a weapon to punch someone in the face!
I'm not sure about the not-having-any-weapons part, but surely he'd still keep the number of attacks in his profile (and be able to use them)
I'm not sure about the not-having-any-weapons part, but surely he'd still keep the number of attacks in his profile (and be able to use them)
darknesseternal
Varghulf
Corpse said:
No he's not.
Characters as standard have a hand weapon. It's just if they choose to take a magic weapon also, then they have to use the magic weapon, they cannot chose to use the mundane hand weapon.
So in this case, if the lance gets discarded through becoming unmounted and on foot, then they slimply revert to using the hand weapon. Think of it as being the mundane hand weapon was simply sheaved, and when they had to discard the lance, they took out the hand weapon to fight with.
References - page 54 and 121 of the BRB.
Nicodemus
Wight King
A question.
Are a unit/character only fighting whit the lance the first round of combat?
Like they droping the lance and take the hand weapon.
Why I wonder?
I planing to have a lord on a Nightmare whit Dreadlance but if the lance only works the first round of combat so F*** it.
Are a unit/character only fighting whit the lance the first round of combat?
Like they droping the lance and take the hand weapon.
Why I wonder?
I planing to have a lord on a Nightmare whit Dreadlance but if the lance only works the first round of combat so F*** it.
No, you always use the lance, so long as you can use it. So while you only get +2S when you charge, you always auto-hit with the Dread Lance. Even if you get charged.
Whether it works on foot or not is disputed, but that won't matter for you
Whether it works on foot or not is disputed, but that won't matter for you
Nicodemus
Wight King
IMHO the lance acts as hand weapons when the owner is dismounted (i.e. no charge bonus). There is no rules basis one way or the other ... but I just can't envision a vampire on foot ... who is stronger than an ogre ... not being able to use the lance as a "spear" of sorts (granted an unwieldy one). Not all lances are jousting lances you know.
Nermal: Lances only have rules for use when mounted, so although it may be your opinion it isn't backed by the BRB.
Unless I have missed something the situation regarding a magical Lance on foot is that strictly by RAW you cannot use the Lance, but also cannot elect to use another weapon.
Of course I (and I expect almost anyone else) would not apply the rule this way, and would happily let the player choose to ignore the useless magic weapon.
Also, I am not aware of anything in the BRB regarding discarding weapons?
Unless I have missed something the situation regarding a magical Lance on foot is that strictly by RAW you cannot use the Lance, but also cannot elect to use another weapon.
Of course I (and I expect almost anyone else) would not apply the rule this way, and would happily let the player choose to ignore the useless magic weapon.
Also, I am not aware of anything in the BRB regarding discarding weapons?
that just wouldn't make sense to use a lance on foot, like if you think about it. i mean sure the vamp is strong but can you imagine someone running at you with a lance on foot? it'll just look funny lol
for that and the fact that it says lances are mounted only weapons i'd say if dismounted he cannot use it.
for that and the fact that it says lances are mounted only weapons i'd say if dismounted he cannot use it.
So lets say that the vampire on nightmare charges in. Whiff all his attacks, god forbid, and his mounts get killed, if that is even possible. Then he has to use his puny hand weapon for the next round of combat.
But then if he in the following magic phase invocation of neheks his mount, he can use the lance again?
But then if he in the following magic phase invocation of neheks his mount, he can use the lance again?