WHFB - 7th Stupid Question

[N1AK]

Erm he can't bring his mount back from the dead, IoN has to be targetted at a unit, as his mount isn't there it can't be IoNed.
And no he can't target himself, and give the wound to his mount, they aren't the same model for the purposes of IoN.

 

[Lord Roke]

Er ... can a Non-flying mount such as a Nightmare even be targeted? I've never once came across an instance where someone would a) want to kill a mount that wasn't a dragon and b) actually bring it up.

I always assumed that the mounts wounds were included in the profile of said rider (barring dragons and such). Because wouldn't that mean a Vampire on a Nightmare has 3 wounds? First wound to vampire, second kills mount and third finishes off the vampire on foot? But please someone correct me if I'm wrong.

~Roke

 

[Grish]

No, it says clearly in the BRB that you cannot target mounts with 1 wound.

I think it needs a FAQ because there are arguments for and against it. If you could use a lance on foot, would htey add an additional entry into the weapons section?

Lance (foot): No special abilities. Does not count as a hand-weapon.

Or do most characters when they have a regular lance and are grounded count their HW as a HW for the parry bonus?

 

[Boo]

right, but can a zombiedragon be brought back?
if say another vampire IoN it?

 

[The Dark Sheep]

Lord Roke:
The BRB clearly states that the horse cannot be targeted in any way (page 31). The characteristics of the rider is used, and when he is dead the mount runs away or is killed (or whatever). Thus all cavalry models only have one W (unless they are characters or other multi-wound models).

Hope that ruined the way you use your cavalry :grin:

 

[Lord Roke]

@ Dark Sheep:

Nope, just confirmed the way I've been playing it all along ... I just thought that maybe I was playing it wrong and no one told me ... Thank god that wasn't the case~!

~Roke

 

[N1AK]

If you could use a lance on foot, would htey add an additional entry into the weapons section?

Going by the Great Weapon has two profiles, one for mounted and one for dismounted, I would say yes they would of (or it is a huge oversight, based on the assumption that anyone carrying a Lance while riding a Monsterous Mount would also have a hand weapon to use if the mount is killed).

Their are no rules for using Lances on foot, and one can't simply assume GW intended for there to be without some form of basis, which frankly I can't see.

 

[Grish]

Heh, from an earlier argument with wizards wearing armour and casting spells: There is no rule saying I can't, therefore I can.

Really, I am sure myself GW meant for a lance to only be used by mounted characters (it does say in the entry mounted only). But anything that people really debate heavily should be looked at and either FAQ'd (it takes seconds to type it in a PDF) or GW should be made aware and write it clearer in the next edition.

 

[N1AK]

It's a matter I really can't make my mind up on, I can see the attraction of FAQing every little debatable point, but at the same time the more things that GW FAQs that the rules already cover the more it encourages people to see things ambiguously.

Regarding the earlier arguement, absolutely so, if you can buy your wizard armour then you are welcome to do so and still cast. Of course you will have to have the option of buying mundane armour to buy magical armour, but if you can there is no problem.

I was at a tournament on Sunday, and in my second game the other player called over a judge three times regarding rules. Each and every time he was trying to use rules that simply had no basis (for example saying his unit could pursue when wiping out a unit due to crumble).

Their is no basis for using a Lance on foot, GW should only FAQ it if they intended for it to be possible, otherwise it is perfectly clear what RAW are.
Again, it is perfectly clear what a caster can or cannot wear.

The moment GW starts releasing FAQ answers to things that are already covered by the rules, is the moment where players can question GWs intent regarding anything that hasn't had a pointless FAQ released.

 

[Nicodemus]

One more stupid question. ^^
Is Blood Drinker a sword?
I mean can I have a lance and Blood Drinker or only Blood Drinker?

 

[Grish]

If you have a magic weapon, you must use it. You can only have one magic weapon as well, so if you purchase any magic weapon, you will use it for all combats (except Bretonnians which have a special rule regarding lances).

 

[Vulf von Carstein]

Well, this may very well be a stupid answer to a stupid question

In the BRB section on magic weapons, it specifically states "Magic weapons always ignore any special rules that apply to an ordinary weapon of the same type unless otherwise specified in the description of the weapon."

I agree that regular lances should only be used when mounted (if you have to dismount for some reason, would you lug around a huge, useless lump of steel?) however, the above would suggest, that unless our lances specifically state that they can only be used while mounted (do they? i don't have my army book ), i would interpret the rules to mean they COULD be used on foot.

so, in summary, magic weapons never use anything the the BRB weapons chart, a magic weapon could be a magic sword or a magic carpet slipper, but as long as their special rules were the same, they'd do EXACTLY the same thing

Please correct me if i'm wrong

Also then, @Nicodemus, this means that BloodDrinker technichally IS a sword (as its description says so), but it follows none of the rules for normal hand weapons - it may as well be a lance, a bow or a penguin



- Vulf

 

[Lord Fear]

The rules for Dreadlance and Balefire Spike say it's a lance and so it will use the rules for a lance found in the BRB. Nothing in the lances' rules specifically states they can't be used on foot, but their rules do state that they are "mounted only". However, that only applies to their rules, it isn't stating who can actually use them. All in all, it's not clear either way.

 

[illusionarypresence]

round where i am the general concensus is that if armed with a dreadlance/ other similar magic weapon and de-mounted then all normal rules for the weapon apply EXCEPT that you do not get the +2 str bonus for charging (similar to prolongued combats if you will)

remember a model armed with a magic weapon must use it, so if on foot with a dreadlance whats a guy supposed to do...?

 

[Vulf von Carstein]

Yeah, but the BRB says that magic weapons DON'T follow the normal rules for weapons. So unless the Balefire Spike and Dreadlance say that they specifically follow the rules for lances, or say that they are mounted only, I would say you CAN use them on foot with no problems :grin:

Basically a magic 'lance' is the same as a magic 'sword' they just LOOK different

I understand that nothing says lances can't be used on foot, but nothing says they can. Ok, so let's say you can have a lance whether you are mounted or on foot. if its rules only apply if mounted, what's the point of having it if you are on foot?

 

[N1AK]

Yeah, but the BRB says that magic weapons DON'T follow the normal rules for weapons. So unless the Balefire Spike and Dreadlance say that they specifically follow the rules for lances, or say that they are mounted only, I would say you CAN use them on foot with no problems :grin:

Basically a magic 'lance' is the same as a magic 'sword' they just LOOK different

I understand that nothing says lances can't be used on foot, but nothing says they can. Ok, so let's say you can have a lance whether you are mounted or on foot. if its rules only apply if mounted, what's the point of having it if you are on foot?

Vulf: The rules say "Lance." thus they follow the rules for Lance. If that wasn't the case and they didn't follow the rules for Lances they would also not give +2str on the charge (as this is a normal Lance rule).
Hopefully you can see the error in your arguement, unless you really think a auto-hitting hand weapon is worth 60 points.

 

[Vulf von Carstein]

Sorry, you are right.

I still don't have my army book so sorry about that. I think that the rules in the main rulebook on magic weapons which i quoted make this a little unclear though