We will see if it is useful if the FAQ allows it to double stack the same RIP. I still love the book, but if we are allowed to chain up RIP spells than it should be in every tournament list
The Cursed Book - Is it all that?
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True Johnny. Another thing that would kill this item is if they changed your General needing to take Lore of Vamps to just needing one spell caster in the army to have Lore of Vamps. Flying Lvl 4 Shadow Caster of the Black Arts wearing a Black Perlapt would make this item far less attractive. However, I do not see them changing this rule.
the chance of rolling a 5 or 6 for pd and then rolling miasma is quite slim and this would be the only time it would seem like a poor choice. The spell has no chance of failure and cannot be miscast. This is what you way up when you consider the cost/arcane slot.
The item works well with motda and black periapt as I found out recently (discussion to follow) You have to use it at the start of your phase and it does a good job of increasing your pd to dd ratio
The item works well with motda and black periapt as I found out recently (discussion to follow) You have to use it at the start of your phase and it does a good job of increasing your pd to dd ratio
I have a question about the book, when i want to use it at the beginning of my phase, i roll D3, then i roll a D6 to determine which spell i get. And THEN i choose the target of that spell (within range), is that right?
May I ask why? The description states: at the beginning of your magic phase the bearer of the book may sacrifice D3 PD from the pool. If he does so, roll a D6 to determine the spell. Now I need to check, if there is a viable target for the indicated spell... Doesn't this mean that I check for targets after the spell is determined?
Velmates said:
I am under the same impression as you. I haven't been able to find anything in the rules that implies otherwise, but maybe someone has read an FAQ that I haven't.
Because once you roll to see how many dice it eats you then cast a spell. Just like any other spell you must nominate a target before you cast it
Sounds right and also feels that way, but when I choose the target before rolling for the Spell, why does the description state it that way? Why do I need to check "if there is any viable target" when I have already chosen one that fits? Seems not that obvious to me...
You Determine which unit you would like to target after rolling for what spell you cast. there is no mention of choosing a target before rolling for the dice loss and spell but after it states "assuming there is a viable target" not "assuming your target is viable". You get to custom pick and choose which unit you want to be affected by the spell, giving you a lot of control over the negative aspects of having a random spell.
Drakhaol Von Carstein
Ghoul
Do all of the spells have the same range at base level? If they differ then it would lend credibility to the roll d6 then select theory.
Johnny-Crass said:
I had an impression, that in order to cast a certain spell one must know what it is he is casting. Can't just cast not knowing what you're casting. So i thought that u roll to see how many dice u sacrifice, then u roll to see what the spell u will be casting actually is, and then u nominate a target, and then u actually cast it. How can one cast not knowing what he's casting. Right?
They should actually give examples of using such items, like in the BRB.
I'd certainly agree with Johnny here. I can't remember the argument behind it, but I've definitely heard the argument for it somewhere...
That wasn't the most constructive post in the world was it
That wasn't the most constructive post in the world was it
Tamodan Varison
Grave Guard
CB is right though, in that Johnny is right :tongue: you pick a target than cast. Another random factor... 
I think I disagree that you have to nominate a target first. I'll start a thread in the rules forum for that discussion, so we don't derail this thread completely
Link to my superduper detailed argument as to why I'm right and awesome: https://www.vampirecounts.net/Thread-Cursed-Book-When-to-nominate-target
Link to my superduper detailed argument as to why I'm right and awesome: https://www.vampirecounts.net/Thread-Cursed-Book-When-to-nominate-target
lol nice thread Gokamok. I would prefer to just believe that you roll off for the spell and then nominate a target. Even if the wording is iffy and could be read either way. But it doesn't seem to make sense that you'd sac dice and then be like "awww yeah curse of midnight wind on those tombgaur-- awww it's out of range..."
At any rate, I think it's a cool item to pop on a lvl 1 or 2 necro or deathro and give him tons of versatility. Sure, you can't count on it all the time, but at least half the time it'll do what you want and that's about as good as it gets on a D6 lol.
At any rate, I think it's a cool item to pop on a lvl 1 or 2 necro or deathro and give him tons of versatility. Sure, you can't count on it all the time, but at least half the time it'll do what you want and that's about as good as it gets on a D6 lol.
Elbisrever
Ghoul
Just another question about the book: do bound spells trigger the Lore attribute? I couldn't see a post about that in this thread, and I as far I as could read it says nowhere in the big fat rule rule book that Bound Spells don't trigger the Lore attribute
I don't think they would, given they are not actually spells from the lore of vampires; just spells off a vampiric item.
straight from the FAQ
Q: If a bound spell is from a Lore of Magic with a lore attribute,
will the successful casting of the bound spell also trigger the lore
attribute? (p37)
A: Yes. It is worth noting that some lore attributes effects
targets the Wizard casting the spell. In the case of Bound
Spells it will target whoever is casting the spell instead.
unfortunately, the cursed book is not a bound item and does not benefit from lore attributes
Q: If a bound spell is from a Lore of Magic with a lore attribute,
will the successful casting of the bound spell also trigger the lore
attribute? (p37)
A: Yes. It is worth noting that some lore attributes effects
targets the Wizard casting the spell. In the case of Bound
Spells it will target whoever is casting the spell instead.
unfortunately, the cursed book is not a bound item and does not benefit from lore attributes
Wow, I'm surprised bound spells trigger lore attributes at all considering the bearer doesn't necessarily know the lore. I guess the way I saw it was that the lore attribute was a synergy of knowing the lore, but hey, that's straight out of the horses mouth. Another unusual FAQ ruling, IMO.
Good catch Lynks.
Lynks said:
Good catch Lynks.
Elbisrever
Ghoul
That would be very cool. I've read the individual lore attributes of shadow, death and heavens, and they all state stuff like "if a spell from the lore of X is succesfully cast and resolved..." So, that would indeed also from our beloved book. You could pull off some funky repositioning with shadows, for example