The General

[spydertau]

Quoted from the paragraph under title: THE GENERALS OF UNDEATH (pg 26)

If he is able to choose a spell lore, he must use the Lore of Vampires.

Question: Let's say I buy my General (Forbidden Lore). If I do that, technically I can't choose Lore of Vampires as my Lore.

That being said, is it legal to have your General with the Forbidden Lore Vampric Power?

 

[bobajelly]

Legal but pointless....he cant take advantage of it (choosing spells from another lore) so why bother.

 

[Johnny-Crass]

You can buy him the power but since he is your general you have to take lore of vamps. There is no tricksy way around that clause

 

[meyst]

If I was to take both a Vampire Lord and a Master Necromancer does that mean the Vampire Lord must be the general (higher leadership) and as such be required to take the lore of vampires?

 

[Hutobega]

Y'all think way too hard... we ignore the rule book. Our general just need to know a spell from.lore of vampires... aka a level 1 necro could.be.your general if you have white kings, vampires with other lores and even of you have a master necro with a different lore. The level one with.vampires would be your general end of story.

 

[Johnny-Crass]

Y'all think way too hard... we ignore the rule book. Our general just need to know a spell from.lore of vampires... aka a level 1 necro could.be.your general if you have white kings, vampires with other lores and even of you have a master necro with a different lore. The level one with.vampires would be your general end of story.

WRONG

You find your general by the model with the highest LD
Step 2: you check what lore he has
Step 3: you make sure it is lore of vamps

 

[Alucard698]

WRONG

You find your general by the model with the highest LD
Step 2: you check what lore he has
Step 3: you make sure it is lore of vamps


Which means you could take a Vamp lord, give him forbidden lore, and then a different lore and he is now no longer eligible to be the general. So it would pass down too the next highest LD with vamp lore.

Thats the way I've heard it described before, and the way my local club runs it

 

[Johnny-Crass]

1. Look for the highest LD in your army
2. You found it he is your general
3. What lore should he have?
4. Oh he is your general he MUST have lore of vampires

Any other way to read this is wishful reading

 

[bobajelly]

1. Look for the highest LD in your army
2. You found it he is your general
3. What lore should he have?
4. Oh he is your general he MUST have lore of vampires

Any other way to read this is wishful reading

Correct.

Your general must be 3 things:

1. The highest LD character in your army.
2. A wizard
3. Must choose the Lore of Vampires.

 

[rothgar13]

Yep - no real way to get around the "must choose Lore of the Vampires" bit. It doesn't matter if your options are expanded when one option is imposed upon you.

 

[Xander]

1. Look for the highest LD in your army
2. You found it he is your general
3. What lore should he have?
4. Oh he is your general he MUST have lore of vampires

Any other way to read this is wishful reading

Exactly correct. Hopefully a faq will help us, but honestly don't hold your breath.

 

[Chaos_Born]

The only way you can have a general without lore of vampires is if you have konrad and like no other characters

 

[Gojira]

A list with Konrad and no other characters would be illegal. You must include a general in your list according to the BRB, and for VC generals must be wizards.

 

[Chaos_Born]

Apologies, I didn't read the army book before posting. I looked at

If he is able to choose a spell lore, he must use the Lore of Vampires.

and thought to myself

"If he is a wizard, he must use the Lore of Vampires"

Maybe next time I should remember the fundamental rules of my army:slapface:

 

[spydertau]

I see what you all are saying and I don't mean to argue, however, as RAW: If he is able to choose a spell lore, he must use the Lore of Vampires.

If you buy Forbidden Lore for your Vampire Lord, you are not allowed to choose Lore of Vampire.

So your general should go to the next highest LD or, he is your General

The other thing that bothers me with the rule the way it is. The Vampire Lord with it's normal allotment is allowed to use spells from: Death, Shadow or Vampires.

The only way you could have a Vampire Lord in your army and choose Death or Shadow (or Forbidden Lore) is if you had Count Manfred and/or Vlad in your army as they are the only 2 Lords that have a LD 10. All other lords are 9 or 8.

So without buying a single item, power, upgrade for your Vampire Lord and if you took Vlad (the cheapest of the two) you would have to be playing a game with a point total of: 3000 and if you did that, you could buy your Vampire Lord a lvl 2 upgrade and that would be it.

I find it hard to believe that they would give the Vampire Lord the ability to have Shadow or Death (without even considering Forbidden Lore) and be limited in such fashion.

 

[Adam_Barrow]

I guess in a bigger game you could field two Vampire Lords and give one a BRB lore and the other would be your general.

 

[Xander]

I see what you all are saying and I don't mean to argue, however, as RAW: If he is able to choose a spell lore, he must use the Lore of Vampires.

If you buy Forbidden Lore for your Vampire Lord, you are not allowed to choose Lore of Vampire.

So your general should go to the next highest LD or, he is your General

The other thing that bothers me with the rule the way it is. The Vampire Lord with it's normal allotment is allowed to use spells from: Death, Shadow or Vampires.

The only way you could have a Vampire Lord in your army and choose Death or Shadow (or Forbidden Lore) is if you had Count Manfred and/or Vlad in your army as they are the only 2 Lords that have a LD 10. All other lords are 9 or 8.

So without buying a single item, power, upgrade for your Vampire Lord and if you took Vlad (the cheapest of the two) you would have to be playing a game with a point total of: 3000 and if you did that, you could buy your Vampire Lord a lvl 2 upgrade and that would be it.

I find it hard to believe that they would give the Vampire Lord the ability to have Shadow or Death (without even considering Forbidden Lore) and be limited in such fashion.

Just because you can't believe it doesn't mean it isn't true. Try this at any tournament and your list will be rejected. You're attempting to bend the rules too much. I'll read you word for word what I mean.

The actual text on forbidden lore is:

"The Vampire can generate his spells from any one of the lores in the warhammer rulebook, except the Lore of Life"

Now picking this apart, the word that is important here is "CAN". He can choose it. It does not say he MUST choose one of the lores. This means if he is your highest leadership he must be your general and still MUST choose vampire lore.

I wish I was wrong, but I am not.

 

[Chaos_Born]

Now picking this apart, the word that is important here is "CAN". He can choose it. It does not say he MUST choose one of the lores. This means if he is your highest leadership he must be your general and still MUST choose vampire lore.

I wish I was wrong, but I am not.

True, so woefully true:'(