The Strongest Warrior

[Duke Danse Macabre]

But a sword is not a warrior and that is a tool of war created to kill much like a blood thirster.

In regards to it size it has alwats been a giant, even in dawn of war compared to marines it was at least 60 feet tall.
In art work and trailers it is significantly more so and the most accutate model we have on one is the Forge World Blood Thirster which is even bigger.

The bloodthirster will actively try to fight you, though. A sword won't defeat someone on its own. I can't see anything that denies a daemon from being a warrior just because it has been given its abilities at birth. It wages war to destroy its enemies like any other warrior does. You could say that it's unfair that it's got a head start on mortals but that's not relevant in this topic.

Bloodthirsters can probably manifest in many different sizes, but for the purposes of this thread I'm referring to the 5-wound variety that we get to play with in the game. Those are also represented in artwork.

I don't know, there are more sentient weapons in the warhammer world than i would care to admit.
I would say a machine would be a better representation but these are things created for war, not trained to it.

Either way this looks to be somethign we will not be able to agree on.
I still say however if we are discounting magic items and weapons (its who is the greatest warrior, not who has the bigest toys), 100 ft monster made of magic may be out of it a bit, one of the reasons i don't count things like The Witch King, Sigmar, etc.

Even in the artwork they are huge, it just depends which art work but i certainly have never seen one under 40 feet unless we are talking that abortion of a modle which GW sells.

 

[TMS]

Agreed, let's just call it quits here and let some other posters into the thread, hopefully with some new contestants.

 

[Shareya]

Malus Darkblade has a sword that does not let him be killed by any mortal weapon and when needed he can tap into the power of one pissed off and ancient demon that has devoured oh so many worlds O_O

 

[Disciple of Nagash]

Aww, I was enjoying that discussion MS / DDM - why stop, that's what the threads are for!

Personally I have to agree with MS. A bloodthirster whilst specifically created for the task has sentient, and there do seem to be varying levels of skill as suggested by Skarbrand.

So I would say that whilst the Bloodthirster is a magical creation (in the same way that Abhorash is technically due to the elixir), I would count him as a warrior.

However that said, whilst they are said to be extremely powerful they are obviously not the pinnacle. I say this because pinnacle suggests the top, can't be any higher / better. The fact they can be beat suggests there are extremely skilled, but there are higher levels of power that can be achieved. Just like when everyone thought that a Super Saiyan was the strongest, but it turns out their hair can indeed get even spikier!

Now, for me if there was any warrior who could have achieved shall we say Super Saiyan level 2 so they could beat a Bloodthirster, I think Abbey is the best bet. Putting to one side any magical weapons and armour, so he has to reply on his own innate abilities, I think he could certainly have a chance. Skill wise I would certainly say he could likely be better, and not being the rage machine a Bloodthirster is would certainly help. Speed wise, again I could see being comparable. Strengh, whilst I am not saying he could beat him in an arm wrestle I think he would have enough power to damage him.

I think toughness would be the biggest difference, certainly I would agree the Bloodthirster would take more damage. But still, as a master vampire combined with his enhanced abilities from dragons blood, I think Abby stands a good chance.

Bloodthirster aside, is there anyone else who would give Abbey a run for his money? Ghouly mentioned Gotrek. Reading through the novels Gotrek is bloody good, but against a normal vamp and chaos lord you can see it is a relatively equal fight, with his axe actually keeping him alive - in Daemonslayer they state the axe actually feeds him strength and vitality.

Even with with don't think he could beat Abhorash, without - squish.

 

[Get of W'soran]

I still think Abhorash would need the magic swordz to defeat a bloodthirster but that's more to do with the nature of the daemon than anything else.

Honestly in terms of sheer warrior skill I can't think of anyone who can defeat Abbey, plus he's got the power of a Master Vamp behind him.

If magic came into the mix then there's probably a number of people who could defeat him but in terms of sheer warrior prowess he's probably on top.

 

[TMS]

What I keep wondering about is just how physically fast a Bloodthirster (and a Keeper too, for that matter) is supposed to be. I believe those two are the only big beasts with such high values in Movement, Weapon Skill and Initiative, which are all the telling signs of speed. A giant or dragon has relatively low initiative which is appropriate due to their size and it also gives smaller opponents a fighting chance of avoiding their attacks, since the bigger something is the slower it naturally becomes. However with those stats, are Bloodthirsters supposed to move like Bruce Lee despite their size? Can a 'Thirster swing its axe in the blink of an eye as the stats suggest? If that's true then, in my opinion, the only thing that can stop them is indeed plot armour.

 

[Get of W'soran]

What I keep wondering about is just how physically fast a Bloodthirster (and a Keeper too, for that matter) is supposed to be. I believe those two are the only big beasts with such high values in Movement, Weapon Skill and Initiative, which are all the telling signs of speed. A giant or dragon has relatively low initiative which is appropriate due to their size and it also gives smaller opponents a fighting chance of avoiding their attacks, since the bigger something is the slower it naturally becomes. However with those stats, are Bloodthirsters supposed to move like Bruce Lee despite their size? Can a 'Thirster swing its axe in the blink of an eye as the stats suggest? If that's true then, in my opinion, the only thing that can stop them is indeed plot armour.

I can see the Keeper being horrific, all that speed and those arms! I'd imagine the bloodthirster is like lightning too with added strength amd endurance as they're aspects of a rather fighty God.

If we're counting Daemons then I think both the thirster and keeper are going to be nearly topping (if not topping) the list and the other two Greats are going to be high up although outdone by the greatest of warriors.

 

[Ghouly]

Greater Daemons solo entire armies in the background, for shits and giggles.

what about the Lizardmen Suarus, some of their OldBloods have been around kicking ass since before Chaos

 

[Sweeney Todd]

With the Bloodthirster, I don't think its Initiative value merely represent its speed. Let's not forget that it has a whip proportionate to its size which gives it a very long reach, and it wouldn't be as slow as you'd think the bulk would imply. Even its wings can be weaponized against smaller targets, and I'd expect a Bloodthirster to have the skill to do just that.

As for the Oldbloods, to my knowledge they aren't presented in as epic a manner as the fighters of other races, so it's hard to know with them. Off the top of my head they might have issues with speed. They might have a contender but we'd need more fluff, or maybe I should stop talking out of my arse :silent:

 

[TMS]

That's a good point Sweeney, the initiative might represent its ability to attack and not just its attacking speed. Makes sense.

 

[Menkeroth]

When choosing from named characters, than it's not that big list to choose from.
Abhorash, off course, Archaon, Sigmar (in the battle with Nagash he was like an engine of destruction and bested Nagash himself), probably Lokhir the Fellheart... all in all, not so much heroes, eh?
But I'd personally choose off course Abhorash and Archaon - they're nearly equal... and while admitting skills and strength of Abhorash I'd choose Archaon. The greatest Chaos champion, Lord of the End Times! And great warrior in itself since living in the North with lots of constantly warring tribes, Dark Elves and very harsh life conditions and without being a vampire which means everything.

 

[Menkeroth]

And when choosing from different warriors as such, than off course, Bloodthirsters and Keepers of Secrets - embodiment of rage, war, grace and speed.
And among mortals and not that mortals - Brides of Khaine, chaos chosen, blood knights. Perhaps that's it.

But it's very arguable, you know. Very slippery slope.

 

[Devour the Cabbage]

If magical weapons are of no use? A wraith. Hey guys you can't hit me trololol!

Ninja edit wall of text too : Nakai the Wanderer, guy held of 4 demonic legions himself. Albino Kroxigor OP.