Tyrion

[Mannfreds Minion]

I've been talking to my friend who plays High Elves and he was telling me how good Tyrion is in the latest army book. He has a 1+ save, a 4+ ward and regenerates. Add to that he is immune to fire attacks , so can't remove regenerate, and moves very fast so is hard to hunt down. How on earth do you kill him!!! The only idea I have is to tarpit him with numerous raised zombies, but casting spells isn't easy against High Elves.

 

[Duke Danse Macabre]

Looking at this and the fact he has initiative 10 on top of ASF I would simply hit his with spells or units with Killing blow.
He has 4 attacks, assume 4 wounds you will still get 6 attacks just from GG, 9 if horde then you will also have banner of barrows so your hitting on 5s will be hitting on 4's and wounding on 4's, wounding on 2's with great weapons.
You will make mice meat of him, 1 wound from Killing blow and he's done. :devil2:
I find it hard to believe however he has regen as well as ward considering you can only choose one or the other now.
I look forwards to seeing the new High Elf army book however.

 

[Grish]

You can only take Regen OR a Ward save now, so he only has the one.

New High Elf book won't be coming for years... keep waiting.

Tyrion is garbage. A lot of points for a really tough tank. He only has 4 attacks... so solution? Use your points and kill things other than Tyrion. Reraise whatever you engage him with. You don't have to kill him to win.

 

[Santawraith]

It is still the 7th edition book and being he is a special charecter he is exempt. I would one check the high elf errate and see if they nutered him.

I however have one method to deal with things that I dont want to fight. Summon zombies for them to play with. Works very well.

Other then that what was said above works well too. My wife is the only high elf player in our area and her army isnt put together enouigh to play any but small skirmishes. So I personally have no experince with tyron.

However the archon the everchoosen I fought died to my gravegauard hammer (I put konrad with them and a lord) I have yet to find anything but a very very large maurder hoarde defeat that unit as a whole.

 

[Mannfreds Minion]

The problem with using grave guard on him is his large movement. I'm pretty sure he wull do his utmost to avoid them. Basically he can easily out manouver anything that can harm him.

My first thought also was to tie him up with zombies but I would have to raise a reasonable amount and then Vanhals them into him. This is not easy against the magically strong High Elves.

I think I'll have to present him with nothing but big units and hide my General in a unit of grave guard so if he wants the big kill he will have to risk the killing blow. Still think he may survive if he still gets a ward and regeneration. I'm now off to check the errata to see if he does.

 

[Mannfreds Minion]

No mention so I must presume he gets both.

 

[Grish]

He has about as many attacks as a single Blood Knight. Picture him as that. Sure tough to kill, but he doesn't wrack up enough CR to make him worth his while. Worry about the unit he's with; his 4 attacks will eat any of your units, so it doesn't really matter what you use. Skeletons will have a ward save however. If you kill his unit, you kill him. The points he puts into Tyrion for 4 attacks, you can put into a Vampire Lord with 6 or 7 attacks with Red Fury. Tyrion is NOT scary. He will contribute 3-4 CR a round. You can easily build a lord that will contribute 6 or 7 CR. Yes, your lord cannot engage Tyrion himself safely. But that's what using a champion is for. Just don't get into base to base contact with Tyrion with your Lord, and eat his unit. Tyrion, by Himself, cannot beat a unit of zombies. He just can't deal out enough attacks.

What he can do is demolish your elite units. Any rare choice will fall easily to him.

If Tyrion is in a unit like this, then match your lord up like this (E is elf, T is Tyrion, G is ghouls or graveguard, whatever, V is vampire lord).
EEEEE
ETEEE

GGGGV
GGGGG

If your unit charges his, don't challenge. If Tyrion Challenges, accept with a champion. Your champion will move into contact with Tyrion. From then on, I don't think Tyrion can slide around in the front to get into contact with your vampire lord. If you can VHD into combat, it should be doable. Don't attack Tyrion at all, just attack his unit with your unit and your lord. If you have a tooled up combat lord, you will win combat, and slice his unit down turn by turn. In 2 or 3 rounds of combat, Tyrion will not be able to win combat and will break.

True, Tyrion is mounted and has a M of 10. No problem. He only really gets to use that M score if he's on his own. In a unit, he's slowed to it's speed. If he wants to go outside his unit... well be my guest. If he does that, I would just try to dual charge him with something with a high M (Dire Wolves) and an Infantry Block. If the infantry hits him and can isolate him, he'll be running in no time. The only unit he can really be in and use his high M is Fast Cav; if so, Gaze them. If he's with heavier cav, he's not as mobile as you think.

I must stress to you, do not try to kill Tyrion. Just kill the units.

Oh, and another option would be just having a Wight King with the DragonBane Gem and Sword of Kings. You'll have a 2+ WS against all his attacks, and Killing Blow is his weakness. And that kind of Wight King isn't very tailored.

 

[_Revan_]

I think I'll have to present him with nothing but big units and hide my General in a unit of grave guard so if he wants the big kill he will have to risk the killing blow. Still think he may survive if he still gets a ward and regeneration. I'm now off to check the errata to see if he does.

Actually, in the current rulebook, you can use either a Ward or Regeneration save after Armor, not both. Even if this was the case, Killing Blow still ignores Regeneration as well as Armor.

I agree with Grish, he is not a vital target, but that Wight King build (Sword of Kings, Dragonbane Gem) would be fine. I would switch the gem for the Dragonhelm for an extra 5 points, as you still get the 2+ Ward from Flaming Attacks in addition to +1 to your Armor, to put you at a 3+. Then you can finish off his allotment with The Other Trickster's Shard so that he will have to re-roll any Ward saves he passes when you land those Killing Blows. I think this would be a little more rounded that way as when you're fighting other opponents, you can always put him with the Drakenhoff Banner.

 

[Vampire bk]

i say lore of death
2 spells later and he dead meat

 

[Mannfreds Minion]

Thanks. think I'll try the hide and blast method as I never know when he will be used and don't wnt to equip characters to kill him the find he doesn't turn up!

 

[Skinner]

[i say lore of death
2 spells later and he dead meat ]

If I remember correctly he also has Magic Resistance (2) so he has +2 Ward save vs spells.

 

[Vampire bk]

oh GREAT

 

[amoronspeaking]

Tyrion is useless. I am a high elf player. Simply put they are all 100% correct. His attack output is silly small, his breath weapon is alright against vampires core choices... but otherwise you can nail him fairly easily with enough attacks or hold him in place forever.

 

[datalink7]

I've never played against him, but I'm not entirely understanding how he is useless. Sure, at 400 points I can see where that could be spent better. But he generates 4 S7 WS9 rerollable (ASF with I10) attacks. That is almost always going to generate 4 wounds on just about anything. Plus he gets 2 more S4 attacks from his mount, which has a movement of 10, and he is pretty tough to kill.

And he gets a breath weapon.

If I played High Elves I wouldn't take him as I'd rather spend my points elsewhere. But if I saw him on the other side of the table I would at least be slightly concerned.

 

[Grish]

He isn't useless, just way overpriced for what you get. 4 WS9 attacks w. rerolls will hit %89 and wound 83% ~ 3 CR per phase assuming no saves of any kind. That IS expensive for 400 pts. Look at what you can get for that kind of points! 8 Wraiths: 24 S5 attacks. A pair of Hydras and have points to spare. An almost fully kitted out Vampire lord, which can generate more CR, have good protection AND be a lvl3 wizard. Tyrion IS way too expensive for his cost, and just cannot help out his army enough.