Unas' lists: New SBL battletome

[The Sun King]

That makes sense. Given that the whole army can retreat and charge I think the Bladegheists will also reliably get their bonus attack. But yeah if you don’t have models you don’t have them

 

[Seyrinian]

Hey !
Dont want a guardian of soul for the +1 wounds on your first pack to maximise their buff ?

 

[Unas the slayer]

2000 pts

Allegiance: Nighthaunts with NAGASH
Scarlet Doom

Leaders:

Nagash (955)
Spirit Torment (115)
- general: Ruler of spirit hosts
- artefact: Lightshard

Battlelines

3 x Spirit Hosts (125) *
5 x Hexwraiths (160) **
20 x Bladegheist rev (350) **
10 x Chainrasp (110) *
10 x Chainrasp (110) *


Endless Spells:

Purple sun (70)

tot. 1995

battalions:
* conqueror
** hunters

THE REASONING
Of course, the main hitter will be the block of 20 bladegheist, backed up by nagash: 4+ ward save in melee and a potential ot 12 resurrected models / round
Nagash of course will be involved in the fighting too
regarding the hexwraith... i am tempted to field 10 harridans. WIth purple sun around and hunters they could really inflict some serious pain...l however i think that i also need some good mobility, to vcompensate my lack of bodies and the guys can halp me also in completing some battle tactics as (for example) desecrate their lands

 

[The Sun King]

2000 pts

Allegiance: Nighthaunts with NAGASH
Scarlet Doom

Leaders:

Nagash (955)
Spirit Torment (115)
- general: Ruler of spirit hosts
- artefact: Lightshard

Battlelines

3 x Spirit Hosts (125) *
5 x Hexwraiths (160) **
20 x Bladegheist rev (350) **
10 x Chainrasp (110) *
10 x Chainrasp (110) *


Endless Spells:

Purple sun (70)

tot. 1995

battalions:
* conqueror
** hunters

THE REASONING
Of course, the main hitter will be the block of 20 bladegheist, backed up by nagash: 4+ ward save in melee and a potential ot 12 resurrected models / round
Nagash of course will be involved in the fighting too
regarding the hexwraith... i am tempted to field 10 harridans. WIth purple sun around and hunters they could really inflict some serious pain...l however i think that i also need some good mobility, to vcompensate my lack of bodies and the guys can halp me also in completing some battle tactics as (for example) desecrate their lands

I like this list! Good synergy with Nagash. My only concern would be that you don't have enough different damage dealers. I can imagine a scenario where your Bladegheists are just getting fed chaff all game. But we have good mobility and Fly so it is hard to screen us out like that.

 

[Unas the slayer]

I like this list! Good synergy with Nagash. My only concern would be that you don't have enough different damage dealers. I can imagine a scenario where your Bladegheists are just getting fed chaff all game. But we have good mobility and Fly so it is hard to screen us out like that.

I've played that list against a stormcast list tailored against Nighthaunts... a very hard fought match in the first 2 round, than a spectral landslide trampled everything.
Nagash was definitely a beast but every unit was just great.

 

[The Sun King]

That’s awesome! I would love a batrep on that match

 

[Unas the slayer]

That’s awesome! I would love a batrep on that match

I will do my best but few photo with a suboptimal map (blackened lava), and no photo of an entire round.

But i will do it.

here it is

 

[Unas the slayer]

OK, usually i'm not a fan of spam list, and i don't even have all the models, but... this is just too brutally ignorant.


Kastelai Dynasty

Prince Vhordrai (455)
VLoZD (435), general, rousing commander, fragment of the keep
5 x Blood Knights (195)
5 x Blood Knights (195)
5 x Blood Knights (195)
5 x Blood Knights (195)
5 x Blood Knights (195)
10 x Dire Wolves (135)

2000 pts

 

[The Sun King]

I like it! What Battalions and spells are you running? You can almost fit into Battle Regiment.

 

[Unas the slayer]

I like it! What Battalions and spells are you running? You can almost fit into Battle Regiment.

Well, Vhordrai will try to go for quickblood, and the VLoZD could cast mystic shield. THe lore of the vampire will be (of course) amethystine pinions

as for the battalions... eh, i think cannot fit both the vampires into Battle regiment, as none of them is a sub-commander, and only one commander is allowed.

If i want to minimize the drop, i think i can have 4:
Battle regiment.
a vampire by itself
2 Blood Knights units into Bounty hunters. Or maybe 1 BL and the wolves.

 

[eatU4myT]

I'm going into another doubles event soon, which will be my first event (and one of my first games) under the new GHB, so I need to get back up to speed. Seeing your list here, it's very much along the same lines as a 1k list I had drafted for the event, which went:

Prince Vhodrai
5 x Blood Knights
5 x Blood Knights
3 x Fell Bats
3 x Fell Bats

What do we think? Any mileage in this idea? I will most likely be doubling with a SoB player, which is likely to mean one Gatebreaker and one Warstomper, and that's it. I imagine he will appreciate some bat screens! Will we be too short of tricks?

 

[Unas the slayer]

I'm going into another doubles event soon, which will be my first event (and one of my first games) under the new GHB, so I need to get back up to speed. Seeing your list here, it's very much along the same lines as a 1k list I had drafted for the event, which went:

Prince Vhodrai
5 x Blood Knights
5 x Blood Knights
3 x Fell Bats
3 x Fell Bats

What do we think? Any mileage in this idea? I will most likely be doubling with a SoB player, which is likely to mean one Gatebreaker and one Warstomper, and that's it. I imagine he will appreciate some bat screens! Will we be too short of tricks?

Wait... what are you doing in my lists' thread?

Jokes aside, if you don't have a points limit on single units (which is not uncommon on events with small games), it seems brutal.
The only thing i don't like is that you miss both the free general trait and the arfetact

 

[eatU4myT]

Wait... what are you doing in my lists' thread?

Jokes aside, if you don't have a points limit on single units (which is not uncommon on events with small games), it seems brutal.
The only thing i don't like is that you miss both the free general trait and the arfetact

Sorry for the hijack!

Yeah, I know what you mean about the trait/artefact, but Vhodrai kind of comes with a better artefact (heal d6) and a better spell than the normal VLoZD, so I figure that it's kind of a wash?

 

[Unas the slayer]

Yeah, I know what you mean about the trait/artefact, but Vhodrai kind of comes with a better artefact (heal d6) and a better spell than the normal VLoZD, so I figure that it's kind of a wash?

yep, it's not that big of a deal. A VLoZD with rousing commander and fragment of the keep is strong, but you can live without it.

 

[eatU4myT]

yep, it's not that big of a deal. A VLoZD with rousing commander and fragment of the keep is strong, but you can live without it.

You've made me look again at Fragment of the Red Keep, and I hadn't realised it was a bubble effect, that's pretty strong. Even better, it debuffs the enemy units, rather than buffing the friendly units. That means it will work in the doubles event I'm attending, where your buffs can't target or benefit your partner, but you can both benefit from debuffs to the enemy. Thanks!

I'm going to run this list a couple of times I think in practice games, we'll see how it does. I was wondering about dropping the fell bats for a unit of Vargheists, as they also benefit from the Kasteli traits, but I think in this list coupled with two mega gargants the movement and utility of the fell bats will be a bigger boost.

 

[Unas the slayer]

the movement and utility of the fell bats will be a bigger boost.

yep, i always insert fast units in my lists.

 

[The Sun King]

For the same reason I've been looking at taken Fell Bats as allies for my Nighthaunt

 

[Unas the slayer]

OK, usually i'm not a fan of spam list, and i don't even have all the models, but... this is just too brutally ignorant.


Kastelai Dynasty

Prince Vhordrai (455)
VLoZD (435), general, rousing commander, fragment of the keep
5 x Blood Knights (195)
5 x Blood Knights (195)
5 x Blood Knights (195)
5 x Blood Knights (195)
5 x Blood Knights (195)
10 x Dire Wolves (135)

2000 pts

I'm working toward fielding it.

 

[The Sun King]

Let us know how it goes!

 

[Unas the slayer]

Let us know how it goes!

Absolutely yes, but it won't be soon

 

[Unas the slayer]

OK, after a first reading of the new battletome, let's try to put together some ideas for a list and discuss about it.


Legions of blood

Leaders:
VLoZD (440) *
- general: Doomed Minions
- artefact: Cloack of mist
Spell: Vile Transference
Vampire lord (130) *
Spell: spirit gale
Wight king (135) *
Wight King on steed (160) **

Battlelines
10 x Black Knights (220) *
10 x skeletons (85) *
20 x Zombies (115) *
20 x Zombies (115) *

Other:
20 x Grave Guards (280) *
Fell Bats (85) **
Mortis Engine (? - 230) *

1995 pts

battalions (3 drops):
* Battle Regiment
** Vanguard

Grand Strategy:
Empire of corpses


THE REASONING
I will have 3 main hitters:
VLoZD, that goes without saying: equipped with the obvious save 3+ unmodifiable, which will be able to target nasty units hitting with everything on 2+
20 Guards, buffed by the wigth king on foot and the vampire on foot, to fish for MWs
Black knights with wight king on steed. Not exactly a hitter, but more than 10 MW on average in charge sounds solid.

Zombies will shield the guards, then i've got many small expendable summonable units to grant me the grand strategy and easy tactics as Callous Overlord or Expand the grave empire

I was sitting at 1750 pts... so i went for a Mortis Engine. The reasoning would be that with range 16" it's a pretty darn good MWs dealer, which pairs nicely with the MWs that i will deal with the Black knights, the wight kings (both summonable!), the grave guards and the spells. And the additional raising power can be good.


Thoughts?

maybe instead of a unit of 20 zombies i could go for 10 wolves...

 

[The Sun King]

Cool! So first a couple of questions:
- Fell Bats are 85pts in the new book, but you have them at 70 pts?
- It seems you are going with season 1 Battalions, is that because you are still playing with the old GHB?

And then on to some thoughts on the list:

I am unsure if Grave Guards are worth it, but it is worth testing. The support of a WK and a VL makes them really killy. Their back issue is as always bad movement and squishiness.

I do not think the Mortis Engine is worth its points at the moment, I would go for something killy like 5 Bloodknights or 10 Black Knights instead.

For this list I would value mobility so I agree with idea switching zombies for doggos.

Cheers,
Sunny

 

[Unas the slayer]

Cool! So first a couple of questions:
- Fell Bats are 85pts in the new book, but you have them at 70 pts?
- It seems you are going with season 1 Battalions, is that because you are still playing with the old GHB?

And then on to some thoughts on the list:

I am unsure if Grave Guards are worth it, but it is worth testing. The support of a WK and a VL makes them really killy. Their back issue is as always bad movement and squishiness.

I do not think the Mortis Engine is worth its points at the moment, I would go for something killy like 5 Bloodknights or 10 Black Knights instead.

For this list I would value mobility so I agree with idea switching zombies for doggos.

Cheers,
Sunny

right, fell bats is 85... i looked at the wrong string an picked the 70 from the corpse cart.

regarding the battalions... silly me, copied and past a list and forgot to change the battalions' names. it's Battle Regiment and Vanguard. Fixed the list

alas, with the bats at 85, now i cannot switch zombies for wolves... as now i sit at 1995

i could swap the mortis engine for 10 black knights. it would free 10 pts, so wolves would be a valid alternative. But i only own 15 Black knight. Of course, in friendly games i could proxi them.

10 + 10 Black knights backed by a mounted wight king? Sounds scary
and i could have 10 volwes too.
A pity for that juicy 16" radius of mortal wounds by the Engine, but 230 pts is a lot.

 

[The Sun King]

Yeah the list I am working towards is also 2x10 Black Knights with a Mounted Wight King. Hopefully it can do some damage on the charge

 

[Unas the slayer]

Yeah the list I am working towards is also 2x10 Black Knights with a Mounted Wight King. Hopefully it can do some damage on the charge

Great minds think alike