Ushoran's Rules

[Thorin Hubertson]

Hi there,
has anyone of you ever thougt of creating rules for the Strigoi-Elder Ushoran? I realized there are already rules for W'soran of the Necrarch and Abhorash of the Blood Dragons, and in ancient times there have even been "official" rules for Neferata of the Lahmia (along with rules for Shaitaan, in that Armybook of 1999something where the Vampirepowers were first inventend). The Elder seem to be all around 600-700 points each. For the von-Carsteins, one could use the rules of Vlad to represent the first Elder (I can't remember his name, though).

But I did not manage to find rules for Ushoran, although I think the Strigoi are strongly underrepresented as they are a very characterful and at the same time tragic sub-race of the Vampires.

 

[Sanai]

There are no current rules for wsoran or abhorash...
and vlad IS the elder von carstein.

Ushoran would be similar to a von carstein (lordly, good at combat, well equipped, aristocratic) except he would also have decent magical abilities and be very good at intrigue/deception and even disguise.

 

[Uziel]

I agree with Sanai here.

I'd make him less powerful than Vlad as far as combat goes, but I'd definitely add some good tactical rules for him too bring forth his scheming/sneaky personality, and I'd also lock him to the Lore of Shadows (and give him IoN besides, so that it was his army proper as well, not one on "loan" from a necromancer).

 

[Da Once Future Git]

Less powerful than Vlad?? Ushoran is a firstborn Vampire, the most powerful of their kind. Unless we assume Vlad is Vashenesh with a name change (there have been lots of hints at this but never any fact, personally I prefer them as two different beings... ) then Ushoran would be much more powerful.

If you're making him in Lahmia/Strigos era, I do agree that he should be lordly, intriguey (?) and a master of desguise (this guy can change his appearence with a thought in the Negash series. Alternatively in the 6th armybook & libre Necris he was the largest & strongest of the firstborn. As a side note, he never became what the strigoi are today, so if you are going to make a GK elder, it would need to be someone else...

 

[Uziel]

Less powerful than Vlad?? Ushoran is a firstborn Vampire, the most powerful of their kind. Unless we assume Vlad is Vashenesh with a name change (there have been lots of hints at this but never any fact, personally I prefer them as two different beings... ) then Ushoran would be much more powerful.

I think it was in Night's Dark Masters *(rpg book) that it was confirmed that Vashanesh was indeed Vlad, thus also a first born, and also according to that book, Nagash's favorite Vampire general. This is what I based the statement on, but in any case, do the game really need another level of Vampire beyond Vlad??

Edit: did a fact check, and this is indeed the case, and there is no room for interpretation here. Vlad is Vashanesh. (Nights Dark Masters. p.34). Not that this was as surprise to anyone I guess.
Also, we have already and another 1.st gen Vampire in the game as well, namely Neferata, and she was quite similar to Vlad as far as stats and powers go (Bloodline modifications taken into account).
This tells me that basing it on Vlad, is not al all far-fetched.

 

[thanathos 71]

Ushoran Rules ?
How about A Wampire lord Build with the twist of special rules: fx.Regeneration and hatred for Ushoran. And the ability to include 2 Warghulf's as one rare choice / ability to use Crypth Horrors as core troops ?