One too many.scudlu said:
The Vargulf will not be in units. They will be individual rare choices.
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The Vargulf will not be in units. They will be individual rare choices.
What worries me a bit is that there will be to many rare chocies in the final list - I used to fill up my rare slots with Banshees without ever taking the Black Coach unlesss playing 4000+ pts.
While Banshees seem to be out of the picture for that, the KotBK, Vargulf Black Coach will all be screaming for attention (and looking at the Vargulf miniature, I have a hunch who´s going to win that race in my armies).
What level will the Bone / Plague Cart have, does anyone know that?
While Banshees seem to be out of the picture for that, the KotBK, Vargulf Black Coach will all be screaming for attention (and looking at the Vargulf miniature, I have a hunch who´s going to win that race in my armies).
What level will the Bone / Plague Cart have, does anyone know that?
Bone cart(I´m assuming its rare), Black coach, vargulf, KotBK makes sense as rares. There are quite a few armies who´s got plenty of rare choices so why not us. I dont really see how it can be too many choices, the more choices the more varied lists/combos. Sounds like more fun to me.
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It seems quite clear that the Rare choices will be there to add flavour to your armies rather than Bloodlines. Want a Blood Dragon army? It'll be the Knights of Blood Keep for you. Want the Strigoi Flying Circus to live on? Take a couple of Vargulfs then. Carstein? Black Coach. Necrarch? Well, those Wraiths are your failed apprentices... and so on.
when people complain about the possibility of ghouls in ranked up units, think of it... 2 poison attacks and tough 4! imagine what 2 small units of 10 could do!! they can now negate ranks, and take on big stuff for 8 points!! why take them and not skellies? well they are alive (at this point) and can flee. still very handy IMHO.
I'm wondering if new vampires will have the option to buy great weapons, lances, additional hand weapons, heavy armour, maybe full plate armour, barding for their steeds and the like. There's not been any rumour concerning such details (I'd be interested in hearing such news since I've been doing some conversions to reflect the equipment options on the miniatures 
). Does anyone know something about it?
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This is most likely very intentional, for reasons pointed out by EvC. Finally not every VC army will look the same.MustEatBrains said:
The new vampires will probably have access to a lot of equipment, as GW want us to get more options. But perhaps some abilities/powers will come with restrictions like no armour/great weapon, we don't know at this point.
Some of the Bllodline powers may work similar to Asrai Kindreds with restrictions:
must fight on foot
cannot be general
cannot join any unit
must be mounted
cannot wear mundane armour
.......
must fight on foot
cannot be general
cannot join any unit
must be mounted
cannot wear mundane armour
.......
actually i quite like the Mannfred model, the only real problem i have with it is its name, change it from Mannfred to the Red Duke or even Abhorash or something and it would be fine its really the best vampire model the vampire counts have ever had in my opinion
also, the Varghulf is just sublime
and the Grave Guard look pretty good, just hope they're more use in the new edition than they are at the moment
its really the best vampire model the vampire counts have ever had in my opinionalso, the Varghulf is just sublime
and the Grave Guard look pretty good, just hope they're more use in the new edition than they are at the moment
I am really hoping that the Varghulf can fly, could soften the blow of losing our ghouls somewhat.
And the GG models are looking really good, here's hoping we can raise or heal them in the new rules otherwise they will carry on being 3K troops only...
And the GG models are looking really good, here's hoping we can raise or heal them in the new rules otherwise they will carry on being 3K troops only...
Great!!! now Manny looks better, and the other miniatures are excellent IMO, I would prefer another details for shields (too many bones on them, I prefer abstract designs like runes, maybe because my dwarf inheritance :grin::grin::grin
On the other hand, I found the GG pretty useful,... but it depends on the strategy that you use... I started using BK and I have changed them for GG...
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On the other hand, I found the GG pretty useful,... but it depends on the strategy that you use... I started using BK and I have changed them for GG...
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Varghulf
The Grave Guard look nice, but not amazing enough imo for me to replace my current 20 or so with the new models. If something changes with them in the new book, where you could even field two units of them, then yeah, I'd grab some of the new ones, but otherwise I'll stick with what I have.
I'll be picking up one of those Varghulfs however, thank you very much! Especially so I can go to one of my mates, 'Hey Rad, you know how you love to use that damn Gorger to come up behind my lines and rear charge the unit with my general in it?? I'd like you to meet my new Varghulf...' :grin:
Have to say it will take a little bit of getting used to fielding both old and new models/mini's as part of the one army.. I came to warhammer during 6th Ed, and have always played VC Lahmians, so this will be my first experience of getting new models, and working out which ones to add to my current army and which ones to resist.
I'll be picking up one of those Varghulfs however, thank you very much! Especially so I can go to one of my mates, 'Hey Rad, you know how you love to use that damn Gorger to come up behind my lines and rear charge the unit with my general in it?? I'd like you to meet my new Varghulf...' :grin:
Have to say it will take a little bit of getting used to fielding both old and new models/mini's as part of the one army.. I came to warhammer during 6th Ed, and have always played VC Lahmians, so this will be my first experience of getting new models, and working out which ones to add to my current army and which ones to resist.
Just how many rare choices will there be?
At the moment from what I have seen it looks as though there is a minimum of 3, are there any more?
Wraiths with banshee
Varghulf
Black coach
At the moment from what I have seen it looks as though there is a minimum of 3, are there any more?
Wraiths with banshee
Varghulf
Black coach
Good point Dancy I can't see it being a special choice
So that looks like a minimum of 5 rare choices!!!!
So that looks like a minimum of 5 rare choices!!!!
Mind you that the Black Coach is no more. It has been replaced by the Bone Cart.
Though, nobody knows if the Bone Cart is a separate unit or actually a character 'mount' (like the Screaming Bell for Skaven).
Obviously, Vargulf is a near to copy of the TK Scorpion and Gorger to what we guess it's function details, but no-one's certain. I hope it can fly, instead of digging holes (like the 2 mentioned), or least move fast.
Also, no one knows if it will be Rare either. Might be a replacement of Fell Bats, too.. 
A lot of things are still unexplored, if you get me.
Though, nobody knows if the Bone Cart is a separate unit or actually a character 'mount' (like the Screaming Bell for Skaven).
Obviously, Vargulf is a near to copy of the TK Scorpion and Gorger to what we guess it's function details, but no-one's certain. I hope it can fly, instead of digging holes (like the 2 mentioned), or least move fast.
Also, no one knows if it will be Rare either.
Might be a replacement of Fell Bats, too.. A lot of things are still unexplored, if you get me.
From what has been said the Varghulf runs about 8 (no flying) but it has a ton of attacks and packs strength 6 hits.
Even with the black coach off the market that still means four different rare choices (I think the Varghulf will be a rare choice)
Even with the black coach off the market that still means four different rare choices (I think the Varghulf will be a rare choice)
Umm Yeah no way is it going to replace fell bats, it's bad enough we have lost our swarms and ghouls, now our big bats as well, I dont (hope) think so.
And there is planty of rumour about the new look balck coach so I dont think the bone cart will replace it, more likely that it is a character mount.
So that leaves us a possible 4 rares to choose from, going to be fun....
And there is planty of rumour about the new look balck coach so I dont think the bone cart will replace it, more likely that it is a character mount.
So that leaves us a possible 4 rares to choose from, going to be fun....
Fun??? I personally would say confusing as hell!
I do look forward to it though its nice to have choice and it looks as though we will be spoilt for it.
I do look forward to it though its nice to have choice and it looks as though we will be spoilt for it.- Status