AoS - 3rd Will we get Ushoran, The Carrion King as Mortarch?

[The Sun King]

So, I just saw the new Loremasters episode on Warhammer TV. It was about Nagash, and was a good walkthrough of his history. I learned one new thing: Nagash is still searching for Ushoran and apparantly he has big plans for the mad Flesheater. This got me thinking: is this a hint that when Flesheater Courts gets a new book we will see the return of the Carrion King? Maybe Nagash wants to raise him to Mortarch? Would fit as FEC is the only faction without a Mortarch. I am really hoping I am right and we will get a huge Ghoul Mortarch model . Would does my fellow vampires think?

 

[Althulus]

That would be awesome!

 

[Danceman]

I'd love to see the old dude back. Hoping he will be something similar to Radukar the Beast but with more delusion-powers.

Hopefully the FEC tome isn't far off since many of their units were made to feel quite redundant compared to SBGL.

 

[The Sun King]

Yeah. Nighthaunt really need a new book to make them competitive again and FEC good definitely use a wider range of models.

 

[Belladamma Voltaire]

Nagash is searching for the Carrion King because he wants to put him back in his prison in my opinion and what I took from the Loremasters episode. Doubly so when you consider that in each of their appearances in the recent story progressive lore, that the Flesh Eater Courts have actually turned against Nagashs wider plans (The FEC on the mountain in Hysh attacked the Ossiarch and the FEC turned on Lady Olydner at Lethis).

There is something of this within each of the factions though (Morathi-Khaine, Belakor and the Ogre Mawtribes immediately spring to mind here) but I thought it was interesting as Nagash will likely have not forgotten these slights and the easiest way to gain control of the Courts again would be to find Ushoran and identify the original source of the madness and use that to reverse engineer control of the faction as a whole again. Certainly, I think it'll be a long while before we see the Great Necromancers next move unless it is something directly related to Ushoran.

That being said though, Death as a faction is pretty much in turmoil (Nef/Manny fighting, Lady O helping Be'lakor and Katakros single minded obsession with the Eightpoints as well as no return in sight for Arkhan) and Ushoran would likely be the most logical choice for outwitting each of the factions within the death civil war.

 

[Unas the slayer]

Anything new for FEC would be great, even if it's a faction i'm not into.
A crazy FEC mortarch... yes, i like it.

 

[The Sun King]

Nagash is searching for the Carrion King because he wants to put him back in his prison in my opinion and what I took from the Loremasters episode. Doubly so when you consider that in each of their appearances in the recent story progressive lore, that the Flesh Eater Courts have actually turned against Nagashs wider plans (The FEC on the mountain in Hysh attacked the Ossiarch and the FEC turned on Lady Olydner at Lethis). There is something of this within each of the factions though (Morathi-Khaine, Belakor and the Ogre Mawtribes immediately spring to mind here) but I thought it was interesting as Nagash will likely have not forgotten these slights and the easiest way to gain control of the Courts again would be to find Ushoran and identify the original source of the madness and use that to reverse engineer control of the faction as a whole again. Certainly, I think it'll be a long while before we see the Great Necromancers next move unless it is something directly related to Ushoran. That being said though, Death as a faction is pretty much in turmoil (Nef/Manny fighting, Lady O helping Be'lakor and Katakros single minded obsession with the Eightpoints as well as no return in sight for Arkhan) and Ushoran would likely be the most logical choice for outwitting each of the factions within the death civil war.

I agree with most of what you said but I don't think Nagash will put him back in the cage. He has a history of finding better uses for people who has offended him (e.g. Neffy, Manny, Olly).

 

[Sception]

The Carrion King was a mortarch already, and at least as far as I understand mortarchs, that's kind of a permanent thing. I also doubt Nagash just wants to force Ushoran back into his prison. Nagash's punishments, whether purposefully or otherwise, often make the victims more useful tools for Nagash, and when this happens Nagash doesn't double down on further punishment, he puts the now useful tool to work instead. See Vhordrai, or Tamra, or Olynder, or most of the Nighthaunt units.

The CK's offense and punishment predated FEC as a faction. Mordants likely already existed, but Abhorrents afaik didn't exist until after the CK was freed by Sigmar and loosed into the wilds of shyish to spread his madness. In time that madness spread to other Soulblight vampires - whether new progeny of a maddened CK or the CK's madness spreading to other already existing vampires - and then spread from these new Abhorrents to the Mordant communities they encountered and came to control.

FEC remain a powerful but unreliable force for death. The Abhorrents can successfully control the Mordants, but the madness of the Abhorrents prevents Nagash & his mortarchs from using the Abhorrents to control the FEC generally. But if Nagash were to get his hands on the Carrion King, he may be able to use the CK to control the Abhorrents to then control the FEC generally, making them a reliable force hidden in the nooks and crannies of every mortal realm.

This, I imagine, is why Nagash is so interested in recapturing the Carrion King. It simply makes more sense than putting a lot of resources into finding the monster just to put him back in a box.

 

[Unas the slayer]

The Carrion King was a mortarch already, and at least as far as I understand mortarchs, that's kind of a permanent thing. I also doubt Nagash just wants to force Ushoran back into his prison. Nagash's punishments, whether purposefully or otherwise, often make the victims more useful tools for Nagash, and when this happens Nagash doesn't double down on further punishment, he puts the now useful tool to work instead. See Vhordrai, or Tamra, or Olynder, or most of the Nighthaunt units.

The CK's offense and punishment predated FEC as a faction. Mordants likely already existed, but Abhorrents afaik didn't exist until after the CK was freed by Sigmar and loosed into the wilds of shyish to spread his madness. In time that madness spread to other Soulblight vampires - whether new progeny of a maddened CK or the CK's madness spreading to other already existing vampires - and then spread from these new Abhorrents to the Mordant communities they encountered and came to control.

FEC remain a powerful but unreliable force for death. The Abhorrents can successfully control the Mordants, but the madness of the Abhorrents prevents Nagash & his mortarchs from using the Abhorrents to control the FEC generally. But if Nagash were to get his hands on the Carrion King, he may be able to use the CK to control the Abhorrents to then control the FEC generally, making them a reliable force hidden in the nooks and crannies of every mortal realm.

This, I imagine, is why Nagash is so interested in recapturing the Carrion King. It simply makes more sense than putting a lot of resources into finding the monster just to put him back in a box.

Yep, all of these are valid considerations.
Nagash may be cruel and vengeful, but uses everyone and everything to enhance his plans.

 

[The Sun King]

Yeah, my point exactly. Also, most would agree that a new book for FEC is not too far into the future (hopefully Nighthaunts will get theirs first) and if so it would make sense with a revamp in terms of story and models. I mean, if they release a new army book for FEC without accompaining models it would be the third book without expanding the range .