Wood Elf Snipers
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What kind and how many snipers are we talking? Look out Sir is the first that comes to mind, but I would need more info on what you are talking about. Magic spell snipers? Archers? Cannons? actual snipers?
LordTobiothan
Crypt Horror
Simple. Laugh as he spends a ton of points for 1 strength three shot that ignores armor vs your T5 vamp that likely has a second save and can heal.
Or 2 shots that give you your armor and are still strength 3.
How exactly are those 90 point models killing your vampires?
Or 2 shots that give you your armor and are still strength 3.
How exactly are those 90 point models killing your vampires?
I'm pretty sure all the bow shots in the wood elf book are magical but I don't have the book.
But that does raise another question. Can a character in the second rank be targeted by sniper? If true line of sight can see the character then I would say they can shoot at them. And if so would they get cover modifier? Would the front rank count as an intervening unit? I don't think it would, even though it probably should
But that does raise another question. Can a character in the second rank be targeted by sniper? If true line of sight can see the character then I would say they can shoot at them. And if so would they get cover modifier? Would the front rank count as an intervening unit? I don't think it would, even though it probably should
LordTobiothan
Crypt Horror
DanteAlSimmon
Zombie
The waywatcher hero can snipe stuff out, that is what he is referring to. I think ignoring it is a mistake as they are a pretty real threat, not versus the vampire lord necessarily, but against hero characters. Its not too much of a points investment for the flexibility it brings to the Wood Elves.
Two way watcher heroes for 180 points can reasonably take out a necromancer a turn. Why would the player waste time with ignoring armor save shots, the best choice is to do two shots, increasing chances to hit and wound. Against a necromancer its a good chance to wound and even kill if the character is being focus fired against, even master necromancer are threatened. I really like these characters and have used them to great effect while alongside avoidance lists with death magic. So many people rely on their characters and all that sniping will eventually clip off the side characters which are less protected, moving into the more expensive ones as the game progresses.
2 BS7 shots at S3, with armor piercing shouldn't be under estimated when used well
, especially since with scouting it will be in short range.
I would take ruby ring, shoot fireballs at them. They will most likely be in a small unit of skirmishers or by themselves, either way the 25 point item will pay for itself. Dire Wolf units could also be quite useful, as the way watcher character only has 2 attacks in combat and no save. If its in a waywatcher unit this won't work, but solo it could. Finally, varghiests in 3 or 4 man units could be a nice counter, basically fast combat options.
Two way watcher heroes for 180 points can reasonably take out a necromancer a turn. Why would the player waste time with ignoring armor save shots, the best choice is to do two shots, increasing chances to hit and wound. Against a necromancer its a good chance to wound and even kill if the character is being focus fired against, even master necromancer are threatened. I really like these characters and have used them to great effect while alongside avoidance lists with death magic. So many people rely on their characters and all that sniping will eventually clip off the side characters which are less protected, moving into the more expensive ones as the game progresses.
2 BS7 shots at S3, with armor piercing shouldn't be under estimated when used well
, especially since with scouting it will be in short range. I would take ruby ring, shoot fireballs at them. They will most likely be in a small unit of skirmishers or by themselves, either way the 25 point item will pay for itself. Dire Wolf units could also be quite useful, as the way watcher character only has 2 attacks in combat and no save. If its in a waywatcher unit this won't work, but solo it could. Finally, varghiests in 3 or 4 man units could be a nice counter, basically fast combat options.
DanteAlSimmon
Zombie
was more the "some type of arrow" I meant 
As I dont find Waystalkers THAT big a threat because of sniper alone...was wondering if something else was in play.
If you know where the stalker is, you also know what part of the board you must pay attention to.
Know where he has to move to get a shot, and prepare a unit to charge him if he moves there.
Havent played against 2 stalkers yet though...that could be a menace when you also has to look out for Wildrider movement..
As I dont find Waystalkers THAT big a threat because of sniper alone...was wondering if something else was in play.
If you know where the stalker is, you also know what part of the board you must pay attention to.
Know where he has to move to get a shot, and prepare a unit to charge him if he moves there.
Havent played against 2 stalkers yet though...that could be a menace when you also has to look out for Wildrider movement..
LordTobiothan
Crypt Horror
Pirate Robot Ninja of Death
Vampire Thrall
The trick to these guys is basically the same as all WE lists. Yeah their shooting doesn't do THAT much every turn...but over 5 rounds of shooting it will take its toll.
WE are a point-denial army, that whittles down your vulnerable points and denies your big hammers the opportunity to earn points. The sniper builds that don't SEEM deadly will be putting pressure on otherwise safe characters, and in addition to other shooting will cause you headaches.
The trick to fighting wood elves is fliers, patience, and discipline. You need to have a plan and you need to stick with it. You need to not be distracted by their uncatchable fast cav busses, and instead focus on knocking out their primary shooting threats. The more of their shooting that you take out the less they are able to score points off of you. That puts pressure on them to commit their wild riders earlier than they want.
Wood Elves are all about distraction, obfuscation, and delay. If you lose sight of your goal you will get distracted by their dancing units and let them lead you around by the nose, and at the game you'll find yourself with no points to show for the effort.
WE are a point-denial army, that whittles down your vulnerable points and denies your big hammers the opportunity to earn points. The sniper builds that don't SEEM deadly will be putting pressure on otherwise safe characters, and in addition to other shooting will cause you headaches.
The trick to fighting wood elves is fliers, patience, and discipline. You need to have a plan and you need to stick with it. You need to not be distracted by their uncatchable fast cav busses, and instead focus on knocking out their primary shooting threats. The more of their shooting that you take out the less they are able to score points off of you. That puts pressure on them to commit their wild riders earlier than they want.
Wood Elves are all about distraction, obfuscation, and delay. If you lose sight of your goal you will get distracted by their dancing units and let them lead you around by the nose, and at the game you'll find yourself with no points to show for the effort.
That's mostly correct, especially about the distractions. However, you still need to pay attention to the fast cav because if you just ignore them and trudge towards your target, the fast cavs will charge your flanks/rear once you get close enough for a charge. This will not allow you to combat reform and you'll be stuck in place and not able to deal much damage in return.
LordTobiothan
Crypt Horror
I disagree. Even some of the weakest units in most armies can beat glade riders in combat. Strength 3 really hurts them.
Yeah, I like to make the most of being able to use mine when I play WE, or just playing a fun list. It's such a shame I love the model. I do take it against tomb kings as well, but that's about itYeah Owain, and that is sadly one of the ONLY places where the Black Coach is effective
Well, by being on the flanks/rear, they are getting rid of your static CR and will be able to wound much better than you will with, basically, whatever infantry you use.
EDIT: Most WE lists I see that have Glade Riders also generally have at least two units of Wild Riders. It is the Wild Riders that will likely be charging you on the flanks/rear and Glade Riders that are Baiting you or just shooting the crap out of, often with Trueflight arrows or Bodkin Arrows.
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LordTobiothan
Crypt Horror
You need a unit of at least 10 to disrupt ranks assuming 0 die in combat with t3 and no save. And wounding enough with that strength is unlikely.
Wild riders are expensive and they will at most have 2 units. Focus with magic they die quick.
Rod of flaming death would be of use aswell.
I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the wild riders either, there absolutely brutal on the charge and can get where they need to be with fast cav. 2 units flank/rear charging at the same time will destroy most units, and that's if the target unit hasnt been softened up with shooting first.
I agree that glade riders are useless in combat, but that's not what their there for.
I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the wild riders either, there absolutely brutal on the charge and can get where they need to be with fast cav. 2 units flank/rear charging at the same time will destroy most units, and that's if the target unit hasnt been softened up with shooting first.
I agree that glade riders are useless in combat, but that's not what their there for.