Yay for price increases!

[Chaos_Born]

Well.

My comment on the word elitist was not intended to provoke a reaction and I think what I tried to say must have been very poorly communicated as I had no intention of provoking a reaction or getting into any sort of 'internet fight'. Really what I was doing with my last post was attempting to leave the discussion, admittedly it was probably foolish to add that second statement but I found the use of the word funny. I suppose eventually there was going to be a backlash, since I do put random statements in my posts frequently. Perhaps I should go to greater lengths to communicate my tone and what I mean more clearly.

Perhaps I should just use more smilies

 

[TheLicheKing]

Okay then, give me a shout in a couple of years when they get up to standard

Also, elitist? Perhaps somewhat excessively strong language when it comes opinions on miniature manufacturers:lol:

then

Well.

My comment on the word elitist was not intended to provoke a reaction ...................
Perhaps I should just use more smilies

So like 3 or 4 smilies next time?

Anyway back onto topic.
Like I said before Mantic's models are a lot cheaper and although they're not quite as beautifully sculpted as GW's, contrary to the derogatory opinion of them that Chaos_Born has the sculpts are pretty good. They still look impressive fully painted in an amassed army. Unfortunately the pics on mantics site don't do them justice.

I was actually really pleased with the first box of skellies I got from them because they looked so much better in person than on the site. That and the fact that the Mantic skeleton box has better varity of poses than it's more expensive counterpart. They are a good way to fill out your rank and files while focusing on the nicer GW models for your characters. Of course like I said before I just suggest this for people who are looking to save money and build a good sized army without breaking the bank. I do realize that some people like smaller prettier armies, and are perfectly fine paying inflated prices for every model kit they buy.

I'm just of the opinion that if you refuse to buy models that don't have the GW logo on the box than you probably shouldn't gripe about the yearly price hikes. They're going to keep doing it because they know you'll still pay it. Amazingly enough, both Mantic and GW are located in England and for some reason the "inflation" didn't affect Mantic because their prices haven't gone up ...weird.

 

[logan054]

I got sick of their price increases a while ago and started buying my models from Mantic Games. http://www.manticgames.com/
Of course you wouldn't be able to use them in an official GW tournament because they like to maintain their near monopoly.

I made the mistake of buying pretty much all my army from Mantic and after a painted a few models it just sat in a box not being painted, bar the zombies and revenant knights I haven't been that impressed. GW has at least released a perfect count to the knights but I think we are all still waiting on the new zombies (assuming they don't release them in boxes of 10).

The thing is Mantic really is aimed at gamers and cheap a chips approach is certainly a very good one, for people like me who like excellent models to paint as well as playing they just are not the company to use. I personally hate the price rises but by the time the next one hits its doubtful I will need anything else from GW as I will have enough models to last me bar some FW purchases or ebay finds (I am very tempted by a MK IV marine army).

I do think I might well try out kings of war with my vampire counts, only thing I didn't really like was the use of all these counters rather than taking models off, could be interesting just to try out.

GW price rises in a strange way of a good thing, I know people in my area are more willing to try out new games so perhaps avatars of wars game will could be a option for people round here (who I think are more likely to get my money than GW or Mantic games).

I will say something, if those Mantic werewolves look anything like the picture I will actually cry, they look like proper werewolves!

 

[TheLicheKing]

I can respect that. I was that same way for the longest time, and can totally understand how you feel. I really like their zombies and ghouls though, but I use their ghouls as zombies to add variety to the unit and I use my GW ghouls as ghouls.

I actually like the counters idea in KoW because it saves time. I know when I play Warhammer and start invoking stuff my friends get annoyed at how long my magic phases take because I have to deploy all those zombie models

I'm working on a Mantic Orc army that I'm going to use just for Kings Of War. I'm contemplating gluing the models down right to the movement trays just because setup will be a snap.

I too have high hopes for those Werewolves, that's what sold me on Kings Of War. When I started my vampire counts I was looking to make a horror movie inspired army. Then I seen all the cool stuff in the undead army list for KoW, werewolves in particular. I really hope that with all the financial backing they gain through kickstarter that the new plastics they make will look even better. Their sculpts aren't quite as good as GW but they have really grown on me, and I have seen a lot worse.

I think if you are going to give KoW a try with your VC you should wait until the new hardcover comes out. They are added a lot of new elements to the game, like magic items and siege rules. Ronnie also told me that the new rules once released will still be available for free download from their website.

 

[logan054]

I'm on the fence about the Mantic Ghouls, they are pretty cool but I really dislike how you have so few poses, I would say they are more like what I think Ghouls should look like, I really hate the GW Ghouls, the zombies are awesome and I am trying to kitbash them with GW kits so I can get away with using them in GW

I would say my dislike of the counters is because I have been a warhammer player for so long, to me, it kinda feels more like your playing epic with big models, for me I just like the feel of taking models off when you do damage to unit, its what I'm use to, I dunno, it gives the game more a feel of a battle when you see models dying and units getting smaller through attrition.

The art work for it was very impressive I have to see, that is how a werewolf should look, still I do like GW's version as well, very different.

Well depends on other people, I know at least one person who is looking for other games to play after the latest price rise so I might give it a ago, it will depend on what they release, in all honestly I think I am more interested in warthrone, avatars of war do produce much better models.

I think another thing that put me off KoW was the normal revenant models, they look to much like the skeleton warriors, why on earth didn't they make them more like the knights!!! the knights are awesome models right down to the steeds, only complaint is the lance are very easy to break, part of the reason I started to move away from mantic was because they didn't produce decent grave guard models and only with HW+SH, if they had done a metal kit with great weapons it might have been different.

 

[Scottnissen]

Wow $118 for blood knights.............. Have you guys ever listen to GW staff defend the prices?