Upcoming Warhammer Fantasy Releases- Including Nagash & new VC stuff.
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This is all very sad. That elf girl is the daughter of Tyrion and Allarielle. Haven't they heaped enough strife on those two? :'(
This is all very sad. That elf girl is the daughter of Tyrion and Allarielle. Haven't they heaped enough strife on those two? :'(
True and justified, but honestly elves have always had a twlight, dying out theme. look at lord of the rings for an example.
crimsonsun
Skeleton
So having read the white dwarf, vlad is back. I have to say, this is the first bit of the nagash campaign that I dont like. Vlad already had his story, and it was a good one from beginning to end, and imo bringing him back to life cheapens that. Further, it gets in the way of mannfreds ongoung story. Seriously, manny already exists to fill the roll of nagash's general in the north opposing archaon. If they wanted more than that, there's kemmler, krell, and zaccharias And speaking of the necrarchs, if they wanted to bring someone back to life, melchior and w'soran both would have been better choices than vlad, imo, as their endings were much more open ended and far less satisfying, and the lot of them would have made more sense working for nagash. I mean, not that nagash couldnt bend vlad to his will, but a willing servant would have made more sense working as his champion, no?
Beyond that, it seems nagash's lore is changing such that he requires a ritual performed by someone already in the mortal world to bring his spirit back, and the night of the restless dead has been changed such that nagash only woke for a single night. Maybe a failed ritual? Anyway, that whole 'dead waking the world over' has apparantly been retconned as an effect of nagash being alive in the world, not just a momentary thing accompanying his return. Basically, now that nagash is back, every night is the night of the restless dead until someone puts him back down. Thats guesses and extrapolation based on the nagash woke for one night retcon, though.
As already described by others, the nagash campaign is presented as just the opening round of a warhammer apocalypse campaign series, with archaon rebuilding his power in the north qfter the (heavily retconned) storm of chaos, which was now just an opening assault, the vqnguard of a much larger incursion, which is poised to crash down from the north, while in the south Nagash, now whole with his hand and crown restored to him, conquers the tomb kings, bending them to his will before leading them north to face down archaon, crushing the old world between two impossible, world ending threats in a 'no matter who wins, we lose' doomsday scenario.
anyway, while the vlad thing does annoy me, since it really seems to cheapen both vlad and mannfred, otherwise the wd and battle report were cool, nagash still looks, imo, amazing, and I remain just super excited about this event and the whole end times business in general. The campaign book two pack in slip case in particular looks great.
Beyond that, it seems nagash's lore is changing such that he requires a ritual performed by someone already in the mortal world to bring his spirit back, and the night of the restless dead has been changed such that nagash only woke for a single night. Maybe a failed ritual? Anyway, that whole 'dead waking the world over' has apparantly been retconned as an effect of nagash being alive in the world, not just a momentary thing accompanying his return. Basically, now that nagash is back, every night is the night of the restless dead until someone puts him back down. Thats guesses and extrapolation based on the nagash woke for one night retcon, though.
As already described by others, the nagash campaign is presented as just the opening round of a warhammer apocalypse campaign series, with archaon rebuilding his power in the north qfter the (heavily retconned) storm of chaos, which was now just an opening assault, the vqnguard of a much larger incursion, which is poised to crash down from the north, while in the south Nagash, now whole with his hand and crown restored to him, conquers the tomb kings, bending them to his will before leading them north to face down archaon, crushing the old world between two impossible, world ending threats in a 'no matter who wins, we lose' doomsday scenario.
anyway, while the vlad thing does annoy me, since it really seems to cheapen both vlad and mannfred, otherwise the wd and battle report were cool, nagash still looks, imo, amazing, and I remain just super excited about this event and the whole end times business in general. The campaign book two pack in slip case in particular looks great.
darknesseternal
Varghulf
Firstly, don't say that you speak for others, you joined this site what? a little over 3 weeks ago? Everyone can speak for themselves, just stick to giving your own opinion.
Secondly, what part of the black coach model that I bought a few years ago for $50 GW now wants $90 for that you failed to understand? It's the same model, they haven't changed how they make it, it's a 45% mark up? Same when they brought out the new skellies and grave guard, it suddenly became more expensive to put together a unit of 20. Prices here in Australia are almost double to what the US pays, due to the 'Australia Tax' (ie. GW charges us almost double because they think they can get away with it). The Temple Of Blood set was $99 US and $165 AUS. I heard your argument that you can get things cheaper online. What was GW reaction when Australians started doing that? They made it so that GW online retail partners could only sell products online within their own region. If the retail partner doesn't abide by this, then GW simply refuse to deal with them, they won't sell them any product. Maybe now you understand why I think GW are a bunch of greedy kents.
So that, along with having been through GW campaigns before and seeing how it's really just another way that GW tries to get more blood out of the stone (Army Of Sylvania, Zombie Pirates, Cult Of Slaanash anyone?), I'm feeling very underwhelmed about 'the end of times'. What do you think is going to happen? Nagash will be this big band evil, will come within a bees dick of making the GW world Undead, but exactly like the Storms of Chaos where the results were not going the way GW wanted, GW will reset things with an ending that returns to the status quo. And the pretty Nagash army book and lore of undeath will not be able to be used if you want to play a legal list in any tournaments.
Enjoy though guys as you clearly are, I'm not saying that I won't enjoy seeing the new models and reading battle reports and painting logs. I just have no more time, energy or money to invest in the hobby anymore, and it's been that way for awhile. It's not surprising to hear that GW's fortunes continue to falter, they have only themselves to blame.
Oh and GDD? Thanks, I'll google and see if I can find any images of the new Neferata model, can only find the old one at the moment. And yes, you are a douche with a predilection of doing this too much... :tongue::tongue::tongue:
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This may mean that vlad may get a new model too, which would be nice. Itching to get my WD on saturday now.
crimsonsun
Skeleton
I am itching to put in my pre-order later today
..@Darkness, firstly I can fully understand why you would feel boned by GW in Australia as you get a rotten deal when it comes to buying any imported games, even projects on Kickstarter carry horrific shipping costs so while I cannot say I know your pain you do have my sympathies. I have also been gaming for more than two decades and have seen campaigns such as this from GW before, though I am hoping they have learnt from the past and that this series is simply a way of offering a different setting for campaigns, with unique and interesting scenarios. army lists and play styles but without any formal conclusion or ending built in. I am also aware that these setting though I expect will be fully compatible with the rumoured (or not - depending on what rumours you believe) 9th edition I know that by the time 10th edition comes around they will be largely invalidated, though this does not really bother me as I am not a tournament player so scenarios can be quickly adapted as can army lists as long as my opponents approve them in advance, so I am able to remain extremely excited and will be investing in products outside of Army books produced by GW for the first time in years but I can fully understand your reluctance and decision not to.
@Malisteen thank you for the detailed overview, its pretty much what I had pieced together from various rumour forums. A question though, what if any spells can you discern are in the Lore of Undeath from the Battle report or White dwarf in general? Thanks in advance!
I am itching to put in my pre-order later today
@Darkness, firstly I can fully understand why you would feel boned by GW in Australia as you get a rotten deal when it comes to buying any imported games, even projects on Kickstarter carry horrific shipping costs so while I cannot say I know your pain you do have my sympathies. I have also been gaming for more than two decades and have seen campaigns such as this from GW before, though I am hoping they have learnt from the past and that this series is simply a way of offering a different setting for campaigns, with unique and interesting scenarios. army lists and play styles but without any formal conclusion or ending built in. I am also aware that these setting though I expect will be fully compatible with the rumoured (or not - depending on what rumours you believe) 9th edition I know that by the time 10th edition comes around they will be largely invalidated, though this does not really bother me as I am not a tournament player so scenarios can be quickly adapted as can army lists as long as my opponents approve them in advance, so I am able to remain extremely excited and will be investing in products outside of Army books produced by GW for the first time in years but I can fully understand your reluctance and decision not to.
@Malisteen thank you for the detailed overview, its pretty much what I had pieced together from various rumour forums. A question though, what if any spells can you discern are in the Lore of Undeath from the Battle report or White dwarf in general? Thanks in advance!
From GW's website or another seller? I am waiting till monday for thewarstore. 20% off USA rrp
crimsonsun
Skeleton
GW uk direct simply because I will have the new book by wednesday or thursday if they still get preorders out a little early (I have no reason to believe any different). Which will allow me to come online and brag about it.. 
Spells mentioned:
ryze - the grave call. Nagash uses it to summon 30 crypt ghouls in a single cast. I believe he uses the same spell to summon 27 grave guard in turn 2, but the specific spell used is not named, so it might have been another spell.
aka'aran - the dark riders. Nagash uses this to summon 16 black knights.
khandorak - the harbinger. Could have summoned a necromancer had it not been dispelled. Later he uses the same spell to summon a terrorgheist. in turn four he uses it to summon Krell, who is confirmed for mortarch status as the 'mortarch of despair', a detail I missed earlier and am quite happy to see now.
nagash also casts shems burning gaze to damage an enemy unit. Iirc, that's a light spell, but if not theres that.
so if I remember correctly about shem, then only three undeath spells are mentioned by name in the battle report, all of them summons. The harbinger in particular seems quite versatile, able to summon characters, including special characters, and rare monsters. Of course, without nagash's triple points on undeath summons it likely wouldnt be quite so useful
notably none of the undeath spells allow for healing of characters, as nagash took the whole lore (even if he didn't use them all in the battle), but was specifically mentioned in a sidebar as not having any spells to heal himself. The sidebar recommended either summoning a necromancer, as nagash tried to do in the game, or just taking invocation of nehek on nagash himself, so apparantly vamp lore spells, or the trait at least, can heal him.
ryze - the grave call. Nagash uses it to summon 30 crypt ghouls in a single cast. I believe he uses the same spell to summon 27 grave guard in turn 2, but the specific spell used is not named, so it might have been another spell.
aka'aran - the dark riders. Nagash uses this to summon 16 black knights.
khandorak - the harbinger. Could have summoned a necromancer had it not been dispelled. Later he uses the same spell to summon a terrorgheist. in turn four he uses it to summon Krell, who is confirmed for mortarch status as the 'mortarch of despair', a detail I missed earlier and am quite happy to see now.
nagash also casts shems burning gaze to damage an enemy unit. Iirc, that's a light spell, but if not theres that.
so if I remember correctly about shem, then only three undeath spells are mentioned by name in the battle report, all of them summons. The harbinger in particular seems quite versatile, able to summon characters, including special characters, and rare monsters. Of course, without nagash's triple points on undeath summons it likely wouldnt be quite so useful
notably none of the undeath spells allow for healing of characters, as nagash took the whole lore (even if he didn't use them all in the battle), but was specifically mentioned in a sidebar as not having any spells to heal himself. The sidebar recommended either summoning a necromancer, as nagash tried to do in the game, or just taking invocation of nehek on nagash himself, so apparantly vamp lore spells, or the trait at least, can heal him.
if he took the whole lore, how did he have a spell open for shems, as it is a light spell?
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Seven spells in a lore, and nagash knows nine spells thanks to his books (the undeath spell ryze plus eight others from undeath, light, death, nehekara, or vampires). In the battle report, nagash took all seven undeath spells, plus the signature spells from light and death.
note that he must declare how many he is generating from what lores before rolling them.
note that he must declare how many he is generating from what lores before rolling them.
crimsonsun
Skeleton
Thank you sir! WOW that lore seems powerful as hell.. though its kinda what I expected especially since he multiplies the total summoned by 3. Any idea on the lore attribute?
I understand that as I am not wealthy myself, it is simply because I detest getting info from books 2nd hand when I can help it. Any models I order will be from such a retailer but I wont worry about that until I have read the entire book and have a feeling on what I want or not and while I love Nagash both in rules and model at the price he is, he can wait until either I have money unused from my hobby budget or until xmas.
Nagash get raze automatically, then 8 more spells so the entire lore would only be 6 leaving 2... Honestly I am surprised he did not take the Lore of Vampires in the hopes of getting a attacking spell to use in combination with the lore attribute to provide healing.
crimsonsun
Skeleton
Quite true. I'm only going to order the books and mortarch kit. nagash can be a birthday present unless i convince myself otherwise.
Im starting w nagash and the books, and rules depending may get either some morghasts or a couple spirit hosts. The mortarch will have to wait, especially as I already have a manny and parts for an arkhan conversion.
crimsonsun
Skeleton
Awesome imaginations produce amazing trains of thought.
This one just happens to be the "Nagash is Fabulous" train.
I thought it was an interesting argument for and against the new look of Nagash, and thus posted it.
Sir Geheimnisnacht
Ghoul
Malisteen, is there any mention of the drawbacks to Lore of Undeath for when the living use it? Similar to the miscast on any double like Malefic Daemonology? I'm guessing no since the battle report just has undead, but I'm hoping for a side blurb or something.
Also, I wonder if Vlad has been brought back simply to provide an inevitable conflict with Mannfred? The whole they could swallow the world if only they weren't at each other's throats clause that has prevented the Old World from destruction for decades now.
Also, I wonder if Vlad has been brought back simply to provide an inevitable conflict with Mannfred? The whole they could swallow the world if only they weren't at each other's throats clause that has prevented the Old World from destruction for decades now.
Fallofdemons
Zombie
I'm a huge fan of Nagash and I'm loving the model. But one thing is confusing me with some of the post here. Why in the world are you paying 69$ for grave guard the GW store sells em for 25 dollars less and you can find the even cheaper online. all your prices and 30-50 dollar more then they are actually sold for.
Wow.... just wow. I had heard about this, but still wow..
You know that GW have sucked all the life out of you, and you don't have any energy, mental facilities, patience, money or time (what, with so much tv to watch and keep up on, music, work, friends, and porn) left when you hear this news and your reaction is 'oh great, another storm of chaos, not going to waste my time again..' (wanted to do a Cult of Slaanesh army, was glad I was too lazy when I found out they did away with the SOC rules not long after the campaign ended).
Happy to hear they are doing a new Neferata model, being Lahmian through and through way back when we had bloodlines, but that's it. I mean, any army now can field undead units? Well then what the fuck is the point in playing undead??!! I haven't touched a paint brush in around 8 years, still have a black coach in it's shrink wrap as well as other models in their blister cases.. will still play every few months with a group of friends where it tends to be 500 pts to 1,000 pts armies for four players on the one field randomly generated scenario games for fun with mates.. but you can only take so much of GW trying to turn WHFB into a dumbed down version like 40K and to give you less but make you pay more. I mean $96 for a Coven Throne, $70 for the army book, $165 for Blood Knights, $83 for Fell Bats, $69 for Grave Guard, $79 for Crypt Horrors, $140 for the triumph and treachery book (had never heard of that one until today, it's been awhile), $124 for the BRB... there is a very good reason that I haven't got any of them and the books and models I have are from previous, earlier editions, up to the last edition to the current one.. because GW are a bunch of greedy kents and a huge rip off!! Actually I lie, I just found a corpse cart, still in it's shrink wrap, and blisters of the female vampire and konrad, I think my friends must have given me GW vouchers for my birthday when the last VC release happened... still, it's a bloody rip off! I mean, the black coach I have in the shrink wrap I got at a GW store when I first started playing for $50 and they now want $90 for the same friggin' model!! Are you kidding me??! :mad2:
Sorry guys, I know these new models and campaign and rules are very exciting, but I'm done. Until GW realize that the way to improve your business is to take care of your players and not try to find every which way to get more money out of them with making things terribly over priced while at the same time nerfing their chosen army and dumbing the game down, they can go and get fucked.
How do kids nowdays afford to take up the hobby? No wonder it is suffering, though I guess they don't have to pay for rent and bills and groceries etc.
Anyways... I don't have the time or the energy to go through 13 pages on this thread, have they released any pictures/artwork of the new Neferata model and if so which page is it on?
Sorry for the rant... I'll be back when I'm rich... :grave:
