Upcoming Warhammer Fantasy Releases- Including Nagash & new VC stuff.
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darknesseternal
Varghulf
Because you are obviously looking at the US GW website... which does not deliver to Australia. On the Australian website, they are at the amounts I quoted.
When the Australian dollar got strong and loads of us starting ordering stuff online, GW's reaction was to say and put in place a demand that all their retail partners would only sell to their region only. If they sold online to say Australia, at as you said $30 - $50 less than what they sell on the Aus GW website, then GW would no longer supply the retailer. GW try to claim that our prices are so much higher (double in some cases) as due to the costs of doing business in Australia and economies of scale. It's all bullshit, it's the same with a lot of other stuff like Apple stuff and software and we are getting really sick of it. The ACCC have been trying to fight against it for ages but will be surprised to see if it ever changes.
I'll show you how it works, I'm seeing a band that I have wanted to see Anathema who are touring here for the first time in their 25 year history tomorrow night. Tickets for their UK tour in a month or so are just under 17 pounds, converted to Aussie dollars that's 30 dollars. I'm seeing them in a hotel/pub/club environment and the ticket cost me $75 dollars (or 42 pounds). Why? Because promoters have continued to charge inflated ticket prices for years and people continue to pay them, if you want to go you pay what they want.
Back to GW, I know that I could go to the trouble of setting up a VPN to fool the website to thinking that I'm accessing it from the US and not Australia, and have it sent to a US address where they repackage it and send it on to Australia and it would still be a lot cheaper. But why would I want to give a company any more money that treats me this way where they charge so much higher for no other reason than they can and greed? I don't and I no longer will. I look forward to it biting them in the arse where each year their sales will continue to decline and decline, unless someone with half a brain takes over and starts treating their customers with some respect. End rant.
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Forgotten Heretic
Grave Guard
Is Vlad confirmed to have returned or is that still the assumption of a guy who isn't too familiar with undead characters?
Sir Geheimnisnacht
Ghoul
I like what I have actually seen and heard so far BUT I wonder how these releases will expand into the future. Is this just a campaign and will it all end and go back to what it was before?
I'm a Warhammer vet and have seen too many cool campaigns that just ended or were even retconned later. Whilst I applaud new models and cool campaign rules I do not like the way GW has been treating its lore lately. Too many changes/retcons and choices that cheapen certain character(like Vlad).
So will I get the books? Probably not. Will I get some of the models? Hell yes, these can always be used.
@ Malisteen; thanks man!
I'm a Warhammer vet and have seen too many cool campaigns that just ended or were even retconned later. Whilst I applaud new models and cool campaign rules I do not like the way GW has been treating its lore lately. Too many changes/retcons and choices that cheapen certain character(like Vlad).
So will I get the books? Probably not. Will I get some of the models? Hell yes, these can always be used.
@ Malisteen; thanks man!
El Syf
Vargheist
I really think GW have made a bold statement with this and hopefully they will build on it. Not being a global campaign though they might say there is no issue with overlooking all this. I hope not as from what has been said so far, this is the most exciting thing to happen in war hammer in years. I say let Nagash get a kingdom of undead let the empire get pillaged and somebody please just kill the failure of the end times already (based on how storm of chaos went) it's odd that in our army book it mentions the recent kurgan incursions, although doesn't name archaon so that may sort that.
nothing mentioned, but I'm not sure any such drawback is needed? Undead cannot march unless w/in 12"of a vamp general or backed up by tk magic. Undead crumble, and w/o vamp or nehekara lore you cant restore those numbers, as it's implied that undeath can only summon new units, not bolster existing ones (not sure of this, but seems implied by some of the sidebar stuff about taking vamp spells on nagash). Further, undead troops aren't all that great without the sorts of magic buffs that the undead lores carry. And since nagash is x3 summoning, non-nagash undead casters are looking at summoning, what, 10 ghouls or grave guard? 5 black knights?
so unless the non-undead army is bringing some undead allied support casters and buff units, then their summoned undead will already be less effective (not useless, far from it, but 'less effective') than in an undead army. And if they do bring undead allies, then they aren't a 'non undead' army, are they?
And I for one don't mind the allying thing, or the lord points bonus, since both are framed as purely within the bounds of the campaign, not a matter of pick up games or tournaments. The end times are set up as a big deal. Archaon's forces mass in the north. The storm of chaos was only the opening foray of a much larger incursion. With Nagash returned and restored, the power of necromancy floods the world, and many of those facing the horrors of chaos will turn to any power that can help them. As GW wrote in one of their little WD daily easter egg teasers, "mankind must choose between death and damnation", between Nagash and the powers of chaos.
Likewise, Nagash's return is a threat to every necromancer, vampire, and tomb king who wishes to maintain their freedom and independence. His presence batters at the minds of death magic wizards the world over, while his armies march to batter at the lands of the living. Such anti-Nagash undead masters must seek any aid they can to try and oppose Nagash, while the forces of the living will slay the undead fighting against them before trying to deal with those fighting with them.
It's the end of days, and the warhammer world is staring down not one but two apocalypses. I'm more than willing to accept old hatreds being put on hold in the face of such overwhelming threats to basic survival.
Out of character, many vamp and tomb kings players are invested in the idea of their armies opposing Nagash. I don't see the 'any army can take undead allies' thing leading to a bunch of weird anti-fluff armies, so much as allowing such players to team up with their living-army-playing friends against nagash-supporting opponents in big games. Apart from that, it allows skaven or nurgle armies to take some plague zombies, or any of those undead armies themed on particular races that we've seen converted through the years to mix undead units and units from those races, which sounds pretty cool to me. I don't see people using this to just dump all over the lore for no good reason.
I mean, Storm of Magic allowed undead and daemonic additions to any army, but how many lizard men players did you really see taking daemons? Because I never saw any. That kind of thing is self regulating. Especially since, again, it's restricted to the bounds of the campaign. It isn't pick up rules, and it isn't tournament rules, so there's no reason for power gamers to cheese it out (not that I have anything against playing the game that way).
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I'm personally quite happy with the build up, if disappointed in the retconning of the night of the restless dead.
Archamedius
Grave Guard
So anyone have any idea what those mortarchs are? Is it a new monstrous infantry unit? Do we know if it will be a unit that can be taken by vampire counts?
We've heard rumors for a loong time now that they were bringing back the old books with unified undead and chaos
Sounds like this is that.. I doubt they will merge the actual books, but making proper lore that gives us the ability to join up fx TK/VC and warriors/daemons.
http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/the-end-of-times-will-continue.html?m=1
If they keep it as a large scale expansion or roll with it I don't know..
Sounds like this is that.. I doubt they will merge the actual books, but making proper lore that gives us the ability to join up fx TK/VC and warriors/daemons.
http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/the-end-of-times-will-continue.html?m=1
If they keep it as a large scale expansion or roll with it I don't know..
Do you mean the morgheists, the bat-skull-headed, winged, bone monster guys? Nobody knows for sure yet if they're characters or a monstrous infantry unit in the undead legions list, and if they are a unit whether they're special or rare (I think it's safe to assume they aren't core).
They are part of the undead legions list, so right now you can't field them in a vamp counts army unless that army is using said list (which from rumor combines all of vamps and tomb kings, minus a couple special characters who aren't participating), so the answer to whether you can use them in your list is 'yes and no'. Yes a vamp army can use them, but only within the campaign list, not in normal games unless the opponent agrees to it. No way to guess how if at all they'll be available after the campaign is over, although it looks set to continue for a year or two.
Other than that, we know that they are two separate units (not just two equipment options on the same unit), and at least one of those units has some means of reducing crumble for nearby undead, because Nagash's own crumble reduction specifically stacks with it.
If you actually mean the mortarchs, that's a title, not a unit, one given to Nagash's favored lieutennants. Arkhan is the 'Mortarch of Sacrements', Nefarata the 'mortarch of blood', Krell the 'mortarch of despair', and Mannfred the 'mortarch of (I forget what)'. I think there are nine? If krell is one, kemmler probably also makes the cut? Since Vlad is leading Nagash's armies in the north, than presumably he is one as well, which brings the total up to six, with three slots open? Hopefully some necrarchs are in the mix, or I'll be rather disappointed.
On the other hand, they might not all be named, allowing players to make up their own.
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Archamedius
Grave Guard
Sorry yes I meant the Morgheists. I may just buy a few and use them as vargheists as I am not a huge fan of those models. Sounds like all the new stuff though is just for a unified undead legions list, I was kinda hoping there would be things we could take in a traditional VC list.
I mean, you can play the undead legions list, and just not take any of the stuff from the tomb kings book. That's kind of my plan, not because I'm opposed to using TK units, just that I don't have money for a side army atm. But if you do that, then it's essentially just more stuff for your vamp counts.
Then again, I always did intend to start a tomb kings army once my vamps were up and running, and even snagged a starter box high elf wizard to convert into arkhan....
Then again, I always did intend to start a tomb kings army once my vamps were up and running, and even snagged a starter box high elf wizard to convert into arkhan....
I've got a Tamurkhan Chaos Dwarf army. I can't say I am looking forward to 9th where my army is very likely to become unusable, but an undead legions army sounds extremely tempting.. At least I could bring my chaos dwarfs to tournaments.
I'm very curious to see what they do with the nekhartan-undead/undead stuff, hierophants, LoV wizards.. etc. If this army will have any synergy to those issues. It kind of needs to.
I'm very curious to see what they do with the nekhartan-undead/undead stuff, hierophants, LoV wizards.. etc. If this army will have any synergy to those issues. It kind of needs to.
I find it highly unlikely that 9th would invalidate existing books. They haven't done that in quite a while, and I don't see why they'd start again now.
Some army books might need errata or updates, but they won't be invalidated. Especially not with all the campaign rule stuff they're releasing at the moment. 9th will be another extension of 6th, just like 7th and 8th before it, and will probably not even be as big a departure from 8th as 8th was from 7th.
Not only should the FW chaos dwarf list still be playable, you could probably even make the ravening hordes list work still. Though the fan list from a few years back when chaos dwarvs seemed all but forgotten is still my favorite version.
Some army books might need errata or updates, but they won't be invalidated. Especially not with all the campaign rule stuff they're releasing at the moment. 9th will be another extension of 6th, just like 7th and 8th before it, and will probably not even be as big a departure from 8th as 8th was from 7th.
Not only should the FW chaos dwarf list still be playable, you could probably even make the ravening hordes list work still. Though the fan list from a few years back when chaos dwarvs seemed all but forgotten is still my favorite version.
Are there rules about what can be raised with Lore of Undeath? Like can HE raise a Gryphon? Dwarves an organ gun? Or would they only be able to raise undead units, so the caster would essentially need access to an VC or tK book?
Far as I can tell, undead units only, so to use it people would presumably need access to undead army books, unless the unit entries are reprinted in full in the Nagash campaign book (I hope so, as it would cut down on the number of books for me to carry).
Anyway, yet another reason that it seems unlikely we'd see a bunch of lore-unfriendly combinations running around willie nillie.
True, we have. But I don't ind seeing them again. Arkhan in particular looks great, imo.
I wonder if this is it for new releases for the Nagash campaign. Rumor was a three week window, and week 1 is Nagash plus the book. If week 2 is just the mortarchs, then week three could be spirit hosts and morghasts, and we'd be done. but if week 2 is mortarchs and the ghasts, then there could be some more releases. Visions leaks haven't shown anything else, but then again this release is straddling a month change, so there could be yet unseen releases that won't show up until next month's visions?
I've got my fingers crossed - though what for I'm not exactly sure. Another mortarch box, one with Kemmler, Krell, and Vlad? Something new entirely? Something for the living armies to try and fight back with? Anything for necrarchs?
I don't know. I'm not getting my hopes up, though, as honestly I think it's more likely that week two is Manny/Arkhan/Nef, week 3 the hosts/ghasts, and that will just be all we see, for now at least.
I've got my fingers crossed - though what for I'm not exactly sure. Another mortarch box, one with Kemmler, Krell, and Vlad? Something new entirely? Something for the living armies to try and fight back with? Anything for necrarchs?
I don't know. I'm not getting my hopes up, though, as honestly I think it's more likely that week two is Manny/Arkhan/Nef, week 3 the hosts/ghasts, and that will just be all we see, for now at least.
Honestly, i'm expecting them to be pushing this for several months, same idea with red waaggghhh for 40k.
Yeah, but that's not necessarily several months of model releases, and certainly not several months of model releases for us. After all, red waagh didn't get all that much, and dark eldar and necrons are both supposedly right around the corner, and the next rumored fantasy stuff is still the WFB nurgle warrior stuff that's been bandied about for a while now.