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@LordTobiothan not quite sure how you just shrugged off my argument against wizards in an UL army so easily. I was using your method of RAW when I saw it. If magic items aren't allowed than only lvl 3 vampire lords are allowed and any wizaed can only take lore of undeath. You are arguing that...

@LordTobiothan is saying that on pg 62 of the VC book it states that the magic items in the section are available to VC armies. Then on pg 86 under the Vampire Lord (and any other character really) it says "May take magic items up to a total of 100 points". Pg 86 is the Vampire Lord's unit...

I believe you when you say that was what you felt the rule was when first reading it. I'm not disagreeing with you or saying you are wrong. I'm just trying to be that guy who ends this fruitless debate that's just going to go on and on and on and on... Until an faq comes out we can't be certain...

I love how both sides bring up the exact same point but use it to make different arguments. On one hand you have people saying it doesn't say to ignore them so you don't. On the other hand people are saying it doesn't say not to ignore them so ignore them. Honestly at this point I think it comes...

I do think I'll end up switching out the 6 crypt horrors for 5 varghs. I had just enough points to do so. I should only need one round of catching cannonballs anyway. They'll also give me a second hammer (a glass one but a hammer nonetheless). I just need to get the models first. I'm alright...

I'll playtest the different combos on my vamp lord. I'll even run certain scenarios (cannons, shems burning gaze, purple sun, etc) by myself over the next couple days. Yes this might be a list where one thing does all the killing but what's the difference between it and a black knght bus or...

Maybe if you know what I'm thinking you'll understand why I'm taking what I did. Here it is: So I have the terrorgheist, the vamp lord, and the hexies as my hitters. I took lvl 4 on the vamp lord basically because I had points left over and so I can get off spells easier. The lvl 4 of light is...

So we obviously won't be as good as other armies at this for multiple reasons. But I've written up a list that I really want to try out. I want to know what you all think. Vampire Lord: Rf, qb, beguile, ob, ots, night shroud, dragonbane gem, ha, shield Lvl 4 vamps Zombie dragon Liche High...

The only problem I see with the lance is charging in and getting stuck in a challenge with a unit champion. That can be countered by using a unit of dire wolves with a champion. Charge them both into a unit and accept the challenge with your dog. I made a list surrounding this theme that I...

I like this build personally: Wight King: Sword of striking, enchanted shield, and the other tricksters shard. He hits most everything on a 2+. Then he has killing blow. Great for challenging enemy characters.

I've wanted to try ghouls (or grave guard/tomb guard) with the staff of damnation and either lore of light or lore of nehekara. I lean more towards the lore of nehekara. Here's why: Imagine ghouls with four attacks a piece with killing blow. In a horde that'll give you 60 attacks that are...

With us being able to take liche priests and high priests we now have access to the lore of nehekara and gained easier access to the lore of light. My question to you all is which do you feel is more competitive? Which one goes better with our army? I'm curious about your thoughts because I keep...

Thanks Najo. I didn't think it did. Just wanted to make sure and so everyone else knew as well. I feel like there was a time when it was allowed but then the faq came out and said it wasn't. That would have been a couple years ago though.

Does it work for miscasts? I've heard different things fron different people. I used to play that it did. Now not so much. Anyone know for sure and able to back it up with solid proof?

That's what I was thinking if I did make the swap. Drop the hellsteed and just put my vamp lord in with the grave guard. Have two pretty killy infantry hordes and one grinding anvil. Then have my t bats scteaming stuff to death aas well as having my mortis engines going off every turn. Seems...

Also another reason I can't take a second unit of skeletons is I don't have the models for it. I'm using almost the core I have. I could drop a few crypt horrors and fet more knights. I do think that's a good idea. Although I might end up switching the black knights out for hex wraiths. What...

The vamp has ha as well as a shield. and the black knights have barding and lances. I really don't like skeletons. That's why I only brought the one unit. Master of the dead was more of a filler than anything. The reason I took dark acolyte on my SGK was to make his invocation of nehek as...

So I'm going to be playing a massive game against two opponents. It'll be my 5000 point list vs a combined WoC and Lizardmen army. WoC will have 3000 points and Lizardmen will have 2000. I made a list and I want to know what you think. Lords: Vamp Lord: RF, QB, Ogre Blade, ToP, Dragon Helm...

That's true. That would definitely make me want to use them. I just haven't gotten around to buying The End Times book yet or the Tomb Kings army book. I pobably will eventually. Right now I'm saving for a laptop and college. After the laptop though I'll probably work on saving for the Tomb...

I just can't get past the WS2 I2. I mean they only hit elites on a 5+ and even if your opponent fails his fear test he still hits you on a 4s. I2 sucks because it's soooo slow. They are slower than humans. I just can't ever seem to pick them over zombies. That's my problem. They do the same job...