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Now I am hearing rumors that this will be a new army book separate from vc or tk but using models from both. Seems far fetched but I'm not saying no if it happens lol.

What??? unit upgrade champs can accept but not issue challenges.

If you want to use them effectively rush them toward the back lines. Vanhels helps both maneuver and do extra damage. I found myself tempted to use my dispel dice on spells I would not necessarily care about. Also with most armies having an update they are not as strong as they were...

I think crumble as it is now denies the flavor of the game. Which is to use multiple units to out maneuver flank rear ect.. You just don't do that under the current crumble system. I remember when the VC player assigned the extra wounds where he wanted however this would make a VC buss...

Wolves make for great re-directors. Also you can add a champion model to the unit and keep it behind the lines for a cheap objective grabber in tournaments :-). Additionally, I use them to swell the number of drops I have so I can castle my VC buss and two TG on the flank I want to destroy.

Don't know if anyone attended Buckeye Battles in Ohio. However, I would like to tell everyone if your ever in the neighborhood its a great event worth attending. Personal note: I scored a personal goal by winning best VC player.

Ok sounds like a winner then since I was having monsters, cavalry and 6 wide chaos warriors in mind for this tactic.

Im thinking of trying 2 mortise engines with 26 GG with 2 Banshees and 2 Wraiths. Now if I understand make way properly if Im in horde formation and charge a smaller unit my heroes will not be in combat but his will allowing me to make way wherever I want but avoiding the magic weapon carried...

Actually, if you loose the banner you give up an additional 25 points to victory point calculation. So for it to pay for itself you need to save 9 zombies. However, I have won a few key battles by charging zombies with banners in the flank of an existing combat. Just make damn sure your going...

I have had good success using Vargheists in conga to flying charge the unit and concentrate the attacks on the caster if its a problem. Also if the single caster on disk with the reroll 1's 3+ ward is a problem you can charge a vamp with OTS and scream on him with a TG while your VP is...

Im currently trying 28 with 2 banshees FC and Banner of Barrows. Im also running 2 engines.

Dear dark one I apologize for derailing this topic. Please find it in your heart to forgive me with the continued undeath you so graciously have granted me. And please find it in your heart to make others realize this thread is about vargheists.

I dont understand how you can honestly call this a glitch. First GW erratas crumble so that it cant allow overruns. Then they find out about the conga line and errata it back but yet do nothing about the conga line. From what I can tell this is an intended play tactic.

All im saying is... "when in Rome"

Or how about a empire griffin knight conga line tar pit while 2 stanks slam you in the ribs. It happened to me !

Well if you get within charge range he will just take the character out the back side of the unit letting act as a shield. Im considering switching tactics and taking Manfred 2 death necro 2 banshees and 2 engines and go all death council regeneration GG hord. The Idea of course is having...

lol I hardly consider this an exploit. Especially when every army has access to the same tactic. I play in a tournament metta where RAW is law. When I have to face a Cauldron of Blood and 40 repeater cross bowmen, 4 repeater bolt throwers, A wizard's spell and his additional str 1 hits ALL...

How would I proceed... Death Council :devil2:

I just ran 2 units of 3 in a conga line with champ in a tournament. I was highly impressed with them. they can only suffer 3 wounds to the champ and have 7 str 5 attacks remaining with a stomp and dont need the generals march bubble. Good stuff for 148 points.

I always toyed with the Idea of running 2 units of 8 with 1 mortise engine and one vampire who could cast +1str and +1 toughness on them.