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whats the "lance formation" look like, i though u needed 5 wide minimum for units. - ----- ----- is it like the above?

hmm yes reviewing the game i made big mistakes, found out the hell cannons shots scatter, fogetting thunderstomps which would have let my gheist survive.. anyways playig around with black knight list and defeated a HE player using teclis (geez his annoying)

well played a game with the list agains chaos warriors and i was tabled. may have to copy paste some army lists from other users around here and see if they help or maybe i have to move to a more forgiving army...

Ok, heres a modified list i am going to try what you think? still not sure about the baby vamp still doesnt feel killy or much of a support. i put the varghulf in because the wratihs werent doing it for me and the varghulf will be great cannon hunter. i tried the ghouls for the second time and...

ok so if i put MN in the VL i can use the highest LD of the unit for spirit leech, does this also count if the MN is in another unit but within 12" for inspiring presence. next time i play ill run that lord set up you suggested sun king. i used to run somthing similar with the ogre blade though.

hi thanks for response ill give this a try how does the necro get the ld 10 of my vamp lord for using spirit leach.? inspiring presence > gives ld but spirit leach says unmodified ld thanks

vampire lord- armour of destiny, sword of might, iron curse icon, aura majesty, fear incarnate, beguile, shield, lvl 3 vamps master necro- lvl 3, dispel scroll vampire- lvl 2 aura majesty, talisman preservation, forbidden lore, heavy armour/shield - used beasts lore tomb banshee tomb...