8th edition Dark Elves

[Nightreaver]

Oh yeah, I've lost to Tomb Kings a few times! Although I am a terrible example, I'm not verry good at this whole game quite yet. I was a 40K guru but then the new book came out and it's all about fliers and it may be fun but it's not the same.

I feel you man, 40k ended for me with the advent of 6th edition. Fliers, gazillion of new special rules (of which some have names not really related to what they do) and now this mini-titan models that you have to pay for in souls of unborn children, and army book supplements which cost more than armybooks themselves. No thank you.

And to get back to discussion at hand (with point costs relating to stats and all that): have any of you noticed that TK skeletons are different to VC skeletons? Not just in points costs but in stats too (if I remember correctly TK skellies have higher Ld, which would make sense fluff-wise).

 

[Corien Sumatris]

I can't say that I've noticed. Are they more expensive or cheaper? If they're more expensive then TK got ripped off. I mean I'm going to pay an extra point for higher LD on an unbreakable model. Woo!

 

[Melle]

i think vc are cheaper, tk must pay extra for eq.
same goes for Tomb guard/ grave guard.
ours are better base, so they need put a prince in there.

Ld isnt only an issue for breaktests

one example, my dark elf spearmen dont care much for the caskets spell, i often let this through. ( my oponent often 4-6 dices this)

whereas my varghulfs on the flank with ld5? really dont want this hit them. would likely draw my scroll....


there are others, often spells, where higher ld matters even for unbreakable. granted 5 doesnt do much anyway

 

[The Sun King]

As far as I'm concerned TK's Skeletons are not good(and I'm not talking about the model, although I could be as well )

 

[Corien Sumatris]

Oh yeah, They need a resculpt reaaal bad! I mean I dunno about you but my hand is not as big as my head. And I don't have size 37 feet (U.S. Sizes).

 

[Nightreaver]

i think vc are cheaper, tk must pay extra for eq.
same goes for Tomb guard/ grave guard.
ours are better base, so they need put a prince in there.

Ld isnt only an issue for breaktests

one example, my dark elf spearmen dont care much for the caskets spell, i often let this through. ( my oponent often 4-6 dices this)

whereas my varghulfs on the flank with ld5? really dont want this hit them. would likely draw my scroll....


there are others, often spells, where higher ld matters even for unbreakable. granted 5 doesnt do much anyway

Higher Ld also helps with crumbling, especially that hierophant isn't nearly enough as hard to snipe as VL is (one of the reasons why TK ceased using magic items, they just get cheap stuff on their chars and work with that).

 

[Seneschal]

Back on topic, my fellow fang people,

If it hasn't been already said here, there is a rumor of the cauldron staying as is and that the Delves will be getting a "statue of khaine" that will cause AoE damage (I'm looking at the current cauldron model's statue of khaine and thinking the new CoB sculpt will make the old one function as the new unit).
All this talk of Delves has gotten me back onto Druchii.net, lol

 

[Zephyr]

The rumor of new "Khainite-anything" turns me into a squealing little fanboy. I'm painting my High Elves like mad so they will be done in time for me to get my Har Ganeth themed army up and running when the book comes out.

I just hope that if there will be new Executioners they still look like the old ones, just a little more detailed and dynamic. I would seriously hate it if they changed the look dramatically. The rumors of them being a dual kit with Black Guard makes a little wary. The two could not be further removed IMO

Druchii.net, I play DE ever since they were introduced as their own army but never even signed up there.

 

[Melle]

Back on topic, my fellow fang people,

If it hasn't been already said here, there is a rumor of the cauldron staying as is and that the Delves will be getting a "statue of khaine" that will cause AoE damage (I'm looking at the current cauldron model's statue of khaine and thinking the new CoB sculpt will make the old one function as the new unit).
All this talk of Delves has gotten me back onto Druchii.net, lol

Jesus. ...there were like 8 threads covering the same thing. just on first page.....
20ish if you count wishlists and 'my predictions'

reminds me why i never liked that place

feel free to sum their bits and post them here

 

[xFallenx]

Jesus. ...there were like 8 threads covering the same thing. just on first page.....
20ish if you count wishlists and 'my predictions'

reminds me why i never liked that place

feel free to sum their bits and post them here

Yeah, it's pretty terrible. Would be cool if the Mod would stamp those out.
The Summary of what we know over there... as much as we know here. It's all speculative & at worst "I hope they don't touch the Dagger, it's soo fluffy!"

 

[Melle]

hehe. ya i saw your name here and there

id be glad to see dagger and pendant gone. never use them anyway, too much whining.(and this from ppl using fully kitted demonprince...)
and i play swedish comp, so i rather have cob and maybe a hydra instead

id love for whip to stay though, just for the name, even with a nerf id still use it 'cause of that

 

[xFallenx]

Yeah, the whip is pretty saucy and under estimated. We could expect the same amount of Magic items as the DE’s got, 3 Weapons, 2 Pieces of armour, a Talisman, 4 Enchanted Items, 1 Arcane item & 1 Flag. Based on exactly those #’s I'm not sure it'll survive…. If I were to guess, I would say the Exec Axe, Lifetaker & either web of shadows/Hydra Blade/ “fluffy” lance/spear weapon will survive over the whip.

 

[Melle]

ya proabably.
id be fine with crimson death too, kinda like the wording. always strike with str 5/6,
no other modifier changes this

i do love lifetaker too, that and +spell i always use on one lvl2

 

[Melle]

got this from druchii.net.
looks promising indeed


October 4
September 27th (pre-orders)
- This fits the schedule, pre-orders open last
saturday of September, release first Saturday of
October (even though the dates are Fridays)
And the models who claim to have seen flying
are:
- Box Hydra / Kar Karond Beast (depths flying)
[Multikit to build two types of hydration and the
Beast
We've been hearing rumors of a new monster
since they first cropped up. For me it looks like
we're getting a multi-kit box with the following
option:
Hydra - looks like multiple hydra options (maybe
back to 6th ed bonus hydra rules? those were
fun)
Sea Drake - Why the hell not? "Depths flying"
sounds to me like it will have both Sea Creature
and Flying rules.
- Box of 10 Witch Elves / Multikit unique troop
Witch Elves and a new kit? unique troop? I don't
know about this. It seems like the rumor of
multikit harpy/witch elves might be true.
- Box 10 Executioners / Black Guard Multikit
Ugh, it seems a thing now... these two units are
so different in terms of armor I don't know what
to think about new box. I'm glad I have enough
old ones.
- Safety Cauldron of Blood / Altar ...
This one I've already heard about and my theory
is that this will be the rumored oversized base
unit (because I don't think they will make Hydra
that big but it could be). Huge Cauldron of Blood
and and option to build it as a statue of khaine
that has different passive benefits (cauldron for
defensive, statue for offensive)
- Blister Priestess of Khaine
Death Hag hero
- Blister Murderer (Shadowblade)
New Shadowblade (obviously)
- Blister Dark Fleet Admiral
Proper Corsair hero (so it's not just Lokhir)
- King of the Executioners Blister
And long awaited execs hero to join them instead
of death hags.
Rules:
- Dark Magic up characteristics oriented
characters, transformations and recovery spells
5th edition.
I don't remember 5th edition Dark Magic spells
but I remember they were deadly and powerful
(Arnizipal's Black Horror chief amongst them so
we can expect a nice boost to our magic)
- Dagger of sacrifices there and synergy with the
Cauldron of Blood in units (Skaven bell type.) (It
is said that only power dice 4 + and one per
phase)
Already heard this one. Kill a model for a new PD
on 4+... Once per phase would mean it better
stay cheap.
- Fleet Admiral dark. A kind of hero who can join
LV apparently endowments and improve shooting
skills from other units. (Becomes his cousin sea
helmet AE)
I figured AE is HE in whatever language the
original was... LV I can't figure out.
- The Vergudos oriented creatures with more than
one wound and mean strengths.
Verdugos? What language is this, does anyone
know? I like the sound of more than one wound.
MI? MC?
- Revamp of Murderers and more important.
Cheaper and the terror of the enemy characters.
Assassins finally able to do what Assassins are
made for? That would be awesome.
- The whole army is oriented based damage
poisons, multiple wounds and attacks (lethal
blows) and ...
Mmmm more poison I like the idea of Dark
Elves getting more destructive, it fits my
perception of each of the elven races strengths.
DE - Offense, HE - Defense, WE - Guerrilla. Multi
wounds attacks... Execs used to do D3 wounds
instead of KB a while back... I'd like that (they'd
slaughter monstrous units)
- Malekith more powerful than Teclis.
I'll believe it when I see it. He was never more
powerful than Teclis, not even in 5th
- Monster of the deep-Kar Karond more powerful
than the Hydra
Sea Drake? Well, if it's flying it already puts it
above the Hydra, if it's at least as resilient it will
be awesome. Monster Mash here I come!
- The weight of the book lies Karond units Kar,
Hag Graef and Clar Karond
So Monsters+Temple of Khaine+Corsairs as a
focus.
The rumor Cruddace dark book makes is very
vague and is taken from faeit 212 and heard that
the author of the book is the same as AE
??? Only think I can figure out from this sentence
is that the author is same as HE book (Matt
Ward was it?)

 

[Melle]

sry bout the cropping. phone wont let me edit


more from druchii. models release.
source 40k radio

"NEW RUMORS for Warhammer Fantasy! My
"source" has sent me pictures of the new Dark Elf
release. The Dark Elves will be out in October
with a slew of new models:
1) NEW Plastic Dark Elf Warrior Box(Makes
Spearmen, swordsmen, & crossbowmen)
2) NEW PLastic Dark Riders/Warlocks
3) NEW Plastic Blackguard/Executioners
4) NEW Plastic Coldone Chariot/Scroungerunner
(Pulled by horses)
5) NEW Plastic Cauldron of Blood/Blood Throne
(This model is AMAZING)
6) NEW Plastic Hydra/Kraken
7) NEW Plastic Witch Elves

 

[Mr. West]

I just don't know ... there's several boxed of Dark Elf (core) warriors plus a number of metal character models still in their blisters sitting somewhere on a shelf in my basement. And while I'd really really love for this release list to be true, it yet sounds an awful lot like wishlisting.
Seven new kits would simply be amazing, and I'm actually unsure whence a WHFB army got an release this big for the last time, GW pumping out like seven (dual) kits all at once.
It surely wasn't HE which got only three boxes (Skycutter, Phoenix, SW / Sisters) not counting clamshell single models, nor was it LM (again three kits plus various clamshelled characters).
Allright, granted, from this proposed list it might look like they're doing a complete overhaul, like they did with Dark Eldar in the autumn of 2010, and Dark Elves could sure use a complete re-vamp (pun intendet) of their model line. So, I'll guess we just have to wait and see.
That, and I'd love to see some pics of that supposed Kraken thingie ...

 

[Melle]

ya, pics would be awesome.

dont forget, HE got new stuff from the IoB too and already had plastic chariots/ monsterish chariot (lion)

 

[Melle]

little more from druchii.
source warseer


Apparently, and according to the latest comments in the fb thread, Warlocks look like male WEs.

Also, Execs wear a skull-like helmet, much like the Eldar Deathjester.
And the Cauldron is, at least, on a chariot base.

Execs use swords (phew!).
Black Guards look
"amazing", with bulkier shoulders and tall helmets with plumes, so I guess pretty much like they look now (in that respect at least).

The Cauldron has six wheels and two staircases
leading up to the platform with the big statue of
Khaine. It is not pulled by anything, so maybe
(my assumption it will be used like the Screaming Bell?

Three Witch Elves on it, lots of spikes and
blades.


Edit: and more! The Witch Elves have loincloths
and bras (obviously) and look "vicious". On the
Throne, there is something that looks like half-
Witch Elf, half Medusa, with snakes as hair.

Edit: The new Hydra is beefier than the current
one. And the WEs on the Throne use spears.

Edit: Warlocks are bare-chested, with long flowing
hair, painted white.
They seem to have black eyes
(or no eyes), except for the champion, whose eyes are glowing.

Dark Riders are cloaked (of course),
and hunched over in the saddle, in order to
present a low profile.



Almost to good to be true...

 

[Zephyr]

Execs with a...skull mask, sounds awful I love how they look now! Well maybe it's not so bad but the description makes me go "oh gawd". I really dislike the Eldar masks. AND it might be just false info which I do not hope in the case of the Cauldron and Dark Riders as those sound great.

Warlocks...hmmm makes me think of the Disciples of Khaine in the online Warhammer game

 

[Melle]

i have about 60 of the metal executioners awaiting paint, horded up on them as soon as i first heard of new dark elves in the pipe
( execs and witch elves rumored to be rdy for release last xmas, but that was wrong )
they are one of my favourite sculpts ever.

beeing so many new releases this looks to hurt the wallet,alot! a few weeks and we'll see.

 

[Yorga]

Shh erv:

http://www.talkwargaming.com/2013/09/dark-elf-pictures-leaked.html

 

[Mr. West]

Also, this (yeah, click me) if you prefer some rumours (and possible half-truths) to go with these pics. erv:

 

[Swaiper]

I cant wait! The models look awesome! I love the fact that we get Asf AND Hatred , Just to bully those HE some more ^^. Asf vs Asf means both strike at the same time but no rerolls correct? (then we still get rerolls first round with hatred :>)

 

[Melle]

yup.
and dont forget reroll 1's to wound

 

[badfox7]

I am not sure how I feel about the look of the new hydra. Anyone else thinking that or is it just me.