On the bright the skirmish rule isn't what it once was so I don't think they are losing out on much anyway! Very tempted to try them out now, not so sure about a uni of 8, 6 maybe
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lynks said:Rothgar, Don't doubt the power of the 15 strong 5 wide 3 deep dire wolves and their ability to get flank charges, it's really quite hilarious at times
That won't work for me. I would rather have 3 units to spread across the board to insure essential redirecting.
Johnny-Crass said:Yorga we need a game soon.
I'd love to play you. Mainly for a learning experience. I might be good at theorizing but my execution is....lacking.:slapface: I should be well enough to travel around the 22d of this month.
Sounds good to me. I am going miss the COC due to work but I could use some practice. Getting a tad rusty on some match-ups..... Daemons and Skaven come to mind.
I agree with Johnny's assessment of the new Bray-Shaman - I'll be grabbing a few to add to my Herdstone cluster, but he's not going to be confused for my converted Big Bray any time soon.
Johnny!!!
I've been lurking these forums for months now and finally brought my lazy butt around to registering. Was wondering if you would run a BK cav bus / screamer hybrid list. Would the points dumped into one make the other ineffective? I had read a post by you somewhere that you were looking at running a cav bus list but didn't have the BK's to do it. If you DID have the models... What would your 2500/2400 list look like?
I've been lurking these forums for months now and finally brought my lazy butt around to registering. Was wondering if you would run a BK cav bus / screamer hybrid list. Would the points dumped into one make the other ineffective? I had read a post by you somewhere that you were looking at running a cav bus list but didn't have the BK's to do it. If you DID have the models... What would your 2500/2400 list look like?
Well now that I own 30 odd black knights I do this often.
Normal list from memory is
Vampire Lord Lvl 2 with Lance Red Fury ASF and 4+ with all the mundane armor I can grab
Naked Lvl 4 Death Necro
Lvl 2 Shadow Vampire Knight with Lance mundane armor E-Shield and Cursed book
Scroll caddy
40 Ghoul
3x 5 dire wolves
2x 20 zombies
16 Black knights full kit and +1 movement
spirit host
spirit host
3 varghiests
5 hexwraiths
2 terrorghiest
I do this often.Normal list from memory is
Vampire Lord Lvl 2 with Lance Red Fury ASF and 4+ with all the mundane armor I can grab
Naked Lvl 4 Death Necro
Lvl 2 Shadow Vampire Knight with Lance mundane armor E-Shield and Cursed book
Scroll caddy
40 Ghoul
3x 5 dire wolves
2x 20 zombies
16 Black knights full kit and +1 movement
spirit host
spirit host
3 varghiests
5 hexwraiths
2 terrorghiest
Dear Johnny!
Im up against ogres tomorrow and would like some input on what to do (especially the magic phase seems very important for me). I´ve borrowed one of your lists and modified it to fit the comp system im using (swedish one). Luckily I have a pretty good idea of what he brings. Still, not used shadow or death all that much. The thing worrying me a bit is the maneaters as I belive they have poison and sniper on their handguns. My level 4 beeing an obvious target. Here are the lists, starting with mine:
Also, wanted to give both horrors and vargheists a run since I have the engine and all.
Vampire Counts:
Ghoul King 395
Red Fury
DBG
Sword of Bloodshed
Potion of Strength
Master Necro 210
Lvl 4 Death
Seed of Rebirth
Necromancer 90
Book of Arkhan
Necromancer 100
Cursed Book
Vampire 176
Lvl 2 Shadow
Sword of Striking
Luckstone
Dragonhelm
HA+ Shield
39 Ghouls 400
Ghast
30 Skeletons 180
Full Com
6 Dire Wolves 48
7 Crypt Horrors 276
Champion
3 Vargheists 138
2 Fell bats 32
Terrorgheist XXX
Mortis Engine XXX
Total: 2490
The ogres then:
Slaughtermaster
Lvl4 Heavens,
Firebelly
lvl1
Butcher
lvl1 Maw
Bruiser
BSB
5 Ironguts
5 Ironguts
19 Gnoblars
10 Gnoblars
10 Gnoblars
1 Sabretusk
1 Sabretusk
7 Maneaters
3 Leadbelchers
3 Leadbelchers
Ironblaster
Thanks a bunch!
Im up against ogres tomorrow and would like some input on what to do (especially the magic phase seems very important for me). I´ve borrowed one of your lists and modified it to fit the comp system im using (swedish one). Luckily I have a pretty good idea of what he brings. Still, not used shadow or death all that much. The thing worrying me a bit is the maneaters as I belive they have poison and sniper on their handguns. My level 4 beeing an obvious target. Here are the lists, starting with mine:
Also, wanted to give both horrors and vargheists a run since I have the engine and all.
Vampire Counts:
Ghoul King 395
Red Fury
DBG
Sword of Bloodshed
Potion of Strength
Master Necro 210
Lvl 4 Death
Seed of Rebirth
Necromancer 90
Book of Arkhan
Necromancer 100
Cursed Book
Vampire 176
Lvl 2 Shadow
Sword of Striking
Luckstone
Dragonhelm
HA+ Shield
39 Ghouls 400
Ghast
30 Skeletons 180
Full Com
6 Dire Wolves 48
7 Crypt Horrors 276
Champion
3 Vargheists 138
2 Fell bats 32
Terrorgheist XXX
Mortis Engine XXX
Total: 2490
The ogres then:
Slaughtermaster
Lvl4 Heavens,
Firebelly
lvl1
Butcher
lvl1 Maw
Bruiser
BSB
5 Ironguts
5 Ironguts
19 Gnoblars
10 Gnoblars
10 Gnoblars
1 Sabretusk
1 Sabretusk
7 Maneaters
3 Leadbelchers
3 Leadbelchers
Ironblaster
Thanks a bunch!
No Dispel scroll? Drop the book as D-Scroll is mandatory in any list. I think two units of zombies and another 1-2 units of dogs would be better than the skellies. Also the Lvl 2 shadow is great as sniper poison normally hits on 6's and if you can make them hit on 7's poison has no effect at all.
There's really nothing mandatory about dispel scrolls.
I have seen many successful lists without them.
If your opponent is relying on one big super spell than there is a good chance they will cast it with irresistible force and your scroll will be useless.
I have seen many successful lists without them.
If your opponent is relying on one big super spell than there is a good chance they will cast it with irresistible force and your scroll will be useless.
One strong magic phase at the right moment can win a game. What about the magic phase where opp. has 10-12 PD and you have 5?
He throws 6 dice at a spell you would rather not have go through and scores a 26, not IF. Will you then throw your 5 DD at unseeming odds knowing he can cast 1-3 more spells.
A dispel scroll can turn what would be a dominant magic phase into a dud, and that, to me is worth the points every time.
He throws 6 dice at a spell you would rather not have go through and scores a 26, not IF. Will you then throw your 5 DD at unseeming odds knowing he can cast 1-3 more spells.
A dispel scroll can turn what would be a dominant magic phase into a dud, and that, to me is worth the points every time.
I think it's unwise to go without a Dispel Scroll - I can count on one hand the armies that I've seen succeed without it, and I have fingers to spare.
If they are going for one super spell that is exactly when you need the scroll. It is a lot harder to get I-Force than the internets make it out to be. They get a killer roll but no boxcars you pop that scroll out and their magic phase is done.
The scroll is very expensive with the comp system I use, hence why I dont have it. Zombies and more wolves sound nice, but skellies are there for comp reasons.
I could do one thing, but that makes the ghoul king less killy. If I drop red fury on him I will save a lot of comp. That way I could easily do the suggested changes. Worth it? Other possible suggestions are welcome too
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Miasma will surely be one of the spells I pick for my level 2.
I could do one thing, but that makes the ghoul king less killy. If I drop red fury on him I will save a lot of comp. That way I could easily do the suggested changes. Worth it? Other possible suggestions are welcome too
.Miasma will surely be one of the spells I pick for my level 2
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In all honesty I think dropping the potion and the magic sword for Ogre Blade would be better in this comp system. That should net you just enough points for scroll if I do my math right
Heck we use to see 2 or three of them in an army last edition.
I kind of like the Sweedish comp. CHeck it out Yorga. The D-Scroll comp is the only really bad thing
rothgar13 said:
I detect the taint, someone with that many fingers on one hand must be follower of Tzeentch...
I will break down the list into all the problems I can see.
You could always try the sword of anti-heroes, as long as you use him against the right units he would be very killy
This guy is going to die a horrible death if anything ever makes it into combat, be it through stomps or directing attacks, don't be one of those who assumes people wont make it, they will.
I would personally keep these as cheap as possible, while I don't think you need a scroll, I would rather have one of these items, the cursed book is a waste, more often than not your better off rolling for normal spells, they will usually be harder to dispel.
They are far to small, I tried the unit of 30, it just dies to everything with crumble, its not going to last 5 minutes against ogres.
Full Com
more! like 3 2/3 units of 5
Why the champion, what does he add?
What do you expect this unit to do? its just going to get shoot to pieces.
This is great, then you miscast, I'd rather have another terror of a varghulf.
I like to take a dispel scroll, especially in tournament settings. However they are far from essential. It particularly depends on what army you use and how much one spell will ruin your day. My High Elves never took one, but I ran MSU and the annuliun crystal. With Vamps however they are far more important as the effects of losing the general are so dramatic. I've lost count how many times i have lost games after having my master necro magiced to death. Lots of these could have been stopped or at least delayed by the use of a dispel scroll
Johnny-Crass said:
I do perfectly fine without them, with my WoC when I take a scroll I don't really need it, when I take the silly miscast modifying nonsense my opponent doesn't miscast, sods law. I think so far I can think of one game it would of helped me out, didn't cost me the game but it would have saved me a lot of skeletons.
I think its cos all you guys put all your eggs in one basket and slap these giant bullseye's on units, maybe with a big red sign over the top saying "kill me and you win".
Silly deathstar players :tongue: