I know that is a Harry Potter reference and I only watched the first 4 movies and never read the books. I've been meaning to catch up on them I just haven't had a chance yet. What are those things?
Few questions on the Necro's
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Well... Basically, becasue Voldemort was really paranoid (as all baddies seem to be!), he came up with a back up plan encase he was defeated (Clever I say!). This plan involved splitting his soul into 7 pieces, I think thats the number anyway, and putting them into objects so that when he died his soul fled to those and only his body died, not his spirit. Giving him a chance to survive, recover and fight back. Also Sauron's Ring is another good example that you might know!
At the end of the day it means that no matter how many times you defeat Voldemort, or Sauron, or whoever, unless you destroy their Phylactery they will keep coming back.
At the end of the day it means that no matter how many times you defeat Voldemort, or Sauron, or whoever, unless you destroy their Phylactery they will keep coming back.
Ohh I gotcha! I heard about that in Harry Potter, The Sorcerers Stone was one of them wasn't it?
Right! either way I like the info on the Necro's I'm glad that they can be female. It works well since, again, not a fan of the creepers in the back.
As for Heinrich, Lich is just a german word for corpse. Seems like a guy named heinrich would probably use it to mean Corpse Master, since he's fake german.
Huh, that makes a bit more sense then saying that he is the master of nagash and other Liches (English lore term)
I have my own necro questions.
How many troops could the average necro control without limiting their powers?
How many troops could the average vampire control without limiting their powers?
And, for anyone who role plays in the TVC II, how many troops do you think Morturion could control without limiting his powers?
When I say 'limiting', I mean a noticeable and significant effect. I know that animating every troops takes a fraction of a sliver of necromantic energy.
I'd like to know because the fluff does not make this clear; GW lore depicts some full-powered vampires struggling to maintain a modest army without a difficult strain, and several novices controlling massive forces.
Furthermore, can undead be fully put out of action (e.g. if a soldier destroys a zombie enough, can it be so smashed up that it will never rise again)? If the answer is yes, how much does it take to put the undead out of action?
Much fluff describes vampires falling to the 'true death' when their bodies aren't completely destroyed? Don't they retain the power to return as long as there's a piece of them left?
How many troops could one raise from one place (e.g. mountain, town, valley)? Considering the high mortality rate in warhammer, I thought it might be countless, but sources suggest that some vampires had trouble accessing sufficient corpses to fight the Empire and other enemies.
How many troops could the average necro control without limiting their powers?
How many troops could the average vampire control without limiting their powers?
And, for anyone who role plays in the TVC II, how many troops do you think Morturion could control without limiting his powers?
When I say 'limiting', I mean a noticeable and significant effect. I know that animating every troops takes a fraction of a sliver of necromantic energy.
I'd like to know because the fluff does not make this clear; GW lore depicts some full-powered vampires struggling to maintain a modest army without a difficult strain, and several novices controlling massive forces.
Furthermore, can undead be fully put out of action (e.g. if a soldier destroys a zombie enough, can it be so smashed up that it will never rise again)? If the answer is yes, how much does it take to put the undead out of action?
Much fluff describes vampires falling to the 'true death' when their bodies aren't completely destroyed? Don't they retain the power to return as long as there's a piece of them left?
How many troops could one raise from one place (e.g. mountain, town, valley)? Considering the high mortality rate in warhammer, I thought it might be countless, but sources suggest that some vampires had trouble accessing sufficient corpses to fight the Empire and other enemies.
In the Nagash series it talks about a weakened Nagash controlling hundreds of thousands before his control over them became more rudimentary to some of the minions. Like he could tell some to "dig" or "carry" he was still issuing orders but it was a single command, not complex. He was still able to control a large portion of them in a complete way. So It really depends on the power of Necromancer. I'm sure baby vamps and Necros can control less than someone who's spirit is stronger/More experienced
Nagash also was able to raise entire units of fallen humans/skaven/undead in the midst of Battle. Amount of bodies raised is likely due to a number of things like time of year/winds of magic/preparation/energy spent.
From my understanding of vampires in Warhammer, Vampires never die. Their corporal form may be destroyed buy they can always be resurrected because their soul is bound to the Material plane.
Lastly short of Grinding something to dust it's extremely hard to put something undead out of commission permanently. Necromantic magic can heal tissue/bone and even still the soul of the dead can be used to fight
I know it's a lot of words but hope it answers some of your questions
Nagash also was able to raise entire units of fallen humans/skaven/undead in the midst of Battle. Amount of bodies raised is likely due to a number of things like time of year/winds of magic/preparation/energy spent.
From my understanding of vampires in Warhammer, Vampires never die. Their corporal form may be destroyed buy they can always be resurrected because their soul is bound to the Material plane.
Lastly short of Grinding something to dust it's extremely hard to put something undead out of commission permanently. Necromantic magic can heal tissue/bone and even still the soul of the dead can be used to fight
I know it's a lot of words but hope it answers some of your questions
The Dread King said:
It's never really described but yes there would certainly be limits over how many "Modern" Necromancers (I use this because since Nagash's rise era Necromancy has been refined).
I think (once the raising is done) the main limitation on keep the Necromancers up and about is a mental strain of commanding that many creatures, there's also the physical maintenance. I would say the REALLY skilled masters would be the ones with thousands of undead.
As for old Morty himself, he's staved of death for a millennium so I would say he'd had tens of thousands of undead under his command at the height of his power. Easily a match in numbers of any army that mortals could raise (not counting perhaps the entire Empire rising up to face him perhaps). Of course I also imagine Morty having whole cabals of Necromancers at his command.
It's iffy, I'd leave it up to the individual person to come up with the fluff. To me the most realistic way to do it is for the Average Vamp Lord OR Necro Master to have acolytes throughout his force assisting in maintaining the army both magically and physically.
As for destroyed, yes definitely. Once the creature is extremely damaged then it doesn't matter if it's still animated because it can't move. Use some logic for this, just think how much of their body/skeleton they can lose before they're unable to operate.
For Zombies the head would need to be intact because the animation process relies on the brain. They'd be inanimate if the brain is destroyed.
For Skeletons they basically just need to beable in one piece enough to move. After the battle however many skeletons could be pieced together again as long as there's enough of them left.
Spectres would be "banished" if their ethereal form was disrupted.
As for how many could you raise, it's not just how many but what quality are the bodies going to be in? Personally I think a Necromancer's best bet would be places like Bretonnia or Sylvania were the peasant death rate is higher although some more ambitious lords might want to go pillage older graves for ancient warriors etc.
Lastly Vampiric death. Vampires never really die forever since their souls are trapped in their physical form. Take out the heart or remove the head and it will "unanimate" but remnants of consciousness is still there. Gather all the body parts and use the right ritual and you'll have the vampire back and ready to go although I wouldn't rule out that lesser-willed vamps would be driven insane by their "death".
Sorry if this is abit confusing, I'm doing things IRL atm but if you want any advice just PM me TDK and I'll try and get a more coherent answer going.
Thanks for the answers, guys, they really helped. 
I'm still a little confused about vampire deaths. What if witch hunters burnt a vampire's entire body and used bright wizards to burn the bones to nothingness, and used other magic to destroy the ashes? If a vampire's entire body was destroyed, would its soul still be bound to the physical realm? And if so, would it be able to find a way back into a real form, or would it just be stuck there unable to do anything?
How long would it take for a vampire to recover from death on their own? If one did enough damage, would they need help from a necromancer/vampire to be able to recover at all?
I'm still a little confused about vampire deaths. What if witch hunters burnt a vampire's entire body and used bright wizards to burn the bones to nothingness, and used other magic to destroy the ashes? If a vampire's entire body was destroyed, would its soul still be bound to the physical realm? And if so, would it be able to find a way back into a real form, or would it just be stuck there unable to do anything?
How long would it take for a vampire to recover from death on their own? If one did enough damage, would they need help from a necromancer/vampire to be able to recover at all?
yeah the Vampires soul is still bound to the ashes you pump enough necromancy into them and the Vampire's body will reform
The Dread King said:
They would never recover on their own.
They require outside help to apply the necessary arcane rituals to resurrect them.
The ash I believe can be gathered via arcane means if necessary.
If it's just dismembered body parts they can probably just be gathered.
Basically it doesn't matter what state the body is reduced to as long as the person planning the resurrection has it.
I believe two of the ingredients involved are a cow womb and the remains of the vampire you put the remains in the womb do the ritual and the Vampire pops out Uruk-Hai Style, probably really pissed off and thirsty. and sometime if you pull a steak out of a Vampires heart they reanimate on their own
Thanks for the answers, they really helped me understand this subject. I guess that to put a vampire pretty much out of action forever, you'd need to seal their remains in a magically warded, heavily guarded, secret location, and even that could be undone. That's pretty godlike.
What if vampires/vampires' bodies were taken to the realm of chaos? Or dragged forcefully into Morr's realm? Would their souls naturally gravitate back towards the material plane, or would they just feel an urge to return to the Old World?
I just was a little confused over vampire deaths because of some conflicting GW fluff that said this: "...the souls of Vlad and Isabella von Carstein cursing the world one last time before they left." Also, as vamps can always be resurrected, WHY is Vlad still dead?:O How hard would it be to resurrect a vamp? Any other specific requirements than a cow womb?
And TVC, about that going into Morr's realm to rescue dead Victarias - you broke the lore!
Ah, answers, they just lead to more questions.
What if vampires/vampires' bodies were taken to the realm of chaos? Or dragged forcefully into Morr's realm? Would their souls naturally gravitate back towards the material plane, or would they just feel an urge to return to the Old World?
I just was a little confused over vampire deaths because of some conflicting GW fluff that said this: "...the souls of Vlad and Isabella von Carstein cursing the world one last time before they left." Also, as vamps can always be resurrected, WHY is Vlad still dead?:O How hard would it be to resurrect a vamp? Any other specific requirements than a cow womb?
And TVC, about that going into Morr's realm to rescue dead Victarias - you broke the lore!
Ah, answers, they just lead to more questions.
Vlads remains are stored in the church in Aldorf I believe plus nobody wants Vlad back.
the TVC also resurrected Vlad and had the Carstines take over half the Empire, we didn't break the lore we prison-raped it
the TVC also resurrected Vlad and had the Carstines take over half the Empire, we didn't break the lore we prison-raped it
Ghouly said:
Nobody wants Vlad back? Surely some Carstein or necromancer wants a return to 'the good old days'?
Gentle lore-breaking makes TVC that much more unique. And let's face it, who doesn't want to indulge their fanboy fantasies by doing something not even Mat Ward would dare do? 
Ward: I've had a great idea for Fantasy guys!
Black Library team: Somebody get the tranquilliser.
Ward: No, no, not Space Marines. The idea... is to have all the vampires team up and kill Nagash!
Legal team: Somebody. Get. The tranquilliser.
Of course, put like that it sounds silly, but with thousands of pages of build up and homebrew lore to create a realistic situation, there's nothing wrong with it.
Ward: I've had a great idea for Fantasy guys!
Black Library team: Somebody get the tranquilliser.
Ward: No, no, not Space Marines. The idea... is to have all the vampires team up and kill Nagash!
Legal team: Somebody. Get. The tranquilliser.
Of course, put like that it sounds silly, but with thousands of pages of build up and homebrew lore to create a realistic situation, there's nothing wrong with it.
Count Darvaleth said:Gentle lore-breaking makes TVC that much more unique. And let's face it, who doesn't want to indulge their fanboy fantasies by doing something not even Mat Ward would dare do?
Ward: I've had a great idea for Fantasy guys!
Black Library team: Somebody get the tranquilliser.
Ward: No, no, not Space Marines. The idea... is to have all the vampires team up and kill Nagash!
Legal team: Somebody. Get. The tranquilliser.
Of course, put like that it sounds silly, but with thousands of pages of build up and homebrew lore to create a realistic situation, there's nothing wrong with it.
:rofl2:
Have a rep, Darvy!