Official Rumour Thread: New Vampire Counts Book

[old man doom]

Think we'll get so lucky to have a huge leak of pictures like with the Beasts of War Necron leak?

 

[Pietr Von Carstein]

Yeah, "leak".

 

[Elbisrever]

Hey guys!

I'm new to to this forum, so 'heya' to you all
I do however play Vampire Counts ever since the Undead got split up. I like the rumours so far, and I think we'll get a confirmation about the release in the enxt White Dwarf.

As far a rumours concerned:
- My local shopkeeper indeed said that VC will be the next thing, as he had to place a red sticker on the codex's, indicating that they were going out of stock.
- At BeastsofWar, in the last vid of the "Necron Week" Warren said that after X-mas they would be back with Vampire Counts. And those guys do have a link to GW, so that has to count for something

As far as wishlisting:
- I'd like to see the Zombies and Skellies getting buffed, giving them the autobreak-rule again, with a rule like "Endless dead: Skeletons and Zombies are poured at the enemy in there thousands to wear them out. When a unit of Zombies or Skeletons outnumbers an enemy, and they win the combat, etc etc".
- About the dual cav kit: Has no one thought of Black Grail Knights? I know it would not make sense since they were never real ( except for in Dark Omen), and it would be another Rare cav choice. But it would be cool

Anyway, keep it all up, and keep the blood flowing

 

[old man doom]

As far a rumours concerned:
- My local shopkeeper indeed said that VC will be the next thing, as he had to place a red sticker on the codex's, indicating that they were going out of stock.
- At BeastsofWar, in the last vid of the "Necron Week" Warren said that after X-mas they would be back with Vampire Counts. And those guys do have a link to GW, so that has to count for something

Nice. Sounds good to me

 

[Pietr Von Carstein]

Im not sure if its been mentioned, but if you look at the terrorgheist on the gw website and read what Phil Kelly says about it you see this;
"The Strigoi Ghoul King on top's an absolute killing machine too; all the punch of a Vampire Lord with the hatred and poison of the Strigoi to back it up."
So maybe Phil wrote the new book, bloodlines are indeed back, which everyone already presumed, and the strigoi get hatred and poison.

 

[old man doom]

Im not sure if its been mentioned, but if you look at the terrorgheist on the gw website and read what Phil Kelly says about it you see this;
"The Strigoi Ghoul King on top's an absolute killing machine too; all the punch of a Vampire Lord with the hatred and poison of the Strigoi to back it up."
So maybe Phil wrote the new book, bloodlines are indeed back, which everyone already presumed, and the strigoi get hatred and poison.

If Phil Kelly ends up being the author, then I am very happy. And it definitely does sound like bloodlines are making an appearance (not just in fluff).

 

[Duke Danse Macabre]

Kelly?.....
Oh thank merciful Christ, we are finally going to have areal book with solid background, glory day units and not some stupid OT or nerfed rules.

I wonder if they will just bring a variation on the old charct how to modify the vampires stats depending on the bloodline, maybe aven slight variations in lore, would certainly make things interesting.

 

[Elbisrever]

"Im not sure if its been mentioned, but if you look at the terrorgheist on the gw website and read what Phil Kelly says about it you see this;
"The Strigoi Ghoul King on top's an absolute killing machine too; all the punch of a Vampire Lord with the hatred and poison of the Strigoi to back it up."
So maybe Phil wrote the new book, bloodlines are indeed back, which everyone already presumed, and the strigoi get hatred and poison."

This is indeed new! I checked the Zombie Dragon/ Terrorgheist last week and that description was not there yet. Seeing as Kelly wrote it, the next army book might indeed be something good. God I remember how pissed I was when the old book was written by Alesio Cavatore....:mad2:

 

[Monkey's_Uncle]

Phil Kelly?
Yes please!
Can I also reserve him for the next Eldar Codex while I'm at it?

That would be nice if Phil wrote the new one (or should that be is writing?).
Might mean Vampire Lords are halfway decent as well.

 

[Forgotten Heretic]

Phil Kelly?
Yes please!
Can I also reserve him for the next Eldar Codex while I'm at it?

That would be nice if Phil wrote the new one (or should that be is writing?).
Might mean Vampire Lords are halfway decent as well.

i think he's supposed to be writing the black templar codex when they come around. it will indeed be good for us if kelly writes/has written our book, both orks and eldar are very good imo, strong but not OP, dont know about space wolves though

 

[Pietr Von Carstein]

Is the warriors of chaos book the only fantasy book he has written? I cant quite remember.
Itd probably be grand no matter who wrote it anyway, seeing as the last three were more or less on the same power level.

 

[Forgotten Heretic]

i think he co-wrote beastmen, i dont have the book on hand though so i could be mistaken

 

[N.I.B]

all the punch of a Vampire Lord with the hatred and poison of the Strigoi to back it up

Lets analyze a bit - this indeed looks like bloodlines are returning. Although from what it looks like, not to the extent I had hoped. The statline looks to be set to the same base for everyone, which although not a surprise is still a disappointment for an old-timer like me. The best Strigoi build in 6th ed was the Strigoi Lord with 4 wounds, inbuilt 5+ ward save, Infinite Hatred, +1 strenght and Flying, lvl 3.
A missile of death with 6 always rerollable S6 attacks. No armour or weapons, only coolness.

And it looks like bloodlines will come with set powers - 'the' hatred and poison of the Strigoi. So Strigoi have the Hatred niche like in 6th ed, with poison added. Cost unknown. Poison has a nice synergy with Hatred.

Question - I haven't played fantasy much the last year, do mounts still get Hatred if the rider has it?

Somehow when I think about the vampire count on his mount, I get a feeling that GW thinka it would be cool if players were able to have a fully kitted vampire on his monster in games below 3000 points, and it would help sales. I could be wrong of course, but I think that we will see a point cost reduction of vampires - either due to lowered point costs on powers and equipment, or due to lowered point cost allowances. I hope it's the former.
Today we have 100/100 points to spend on powers/items. In 6th ed we only had 100 points to spend on powers and magic items (mundane items were bought outside the allowance).

A fully kitted vampire lord on a Terrorgheist is 680 points today. At 2500 points (seems to be the most common in tournaments) you can only spend 625 points on your lord and his mount. So we need a 55 point reduction.

 

[Vengeance Crusader]

It USED to- just like frenzy did back in 7th Ed.

Which was really useful for Blood Knights with the Banner of Strigos, as for a basic unit of 5 you got 10 strength 4 attacks with re-rolls to hit from their Nightmares- now they only get one a piece and no re-rolls from hatred

For these reasons I am hoping that Blood Knights loose a few points- maybe 5pts a model would be enough for me

 

[N.I.B]

So psychology doesn't transfer to mounts, if you're Stubborn but sits on a horse or a Dragon - tough luck?

I guess my Zombie Dragon will continue to gather dust then.

 

[Danceman]

I guess my Zombie Dragon will continue to gather dust then.

I call my zombie dragon just that, a dust dragon. I wonder if I ignore it for long enough it will turn ethereal?

 

[Hanblack Nagash]

in regards to the infinite hatred option.

depending on how you read the book, how many of our magic items and abilities specifically say not mounts in brackets.
it does not say this on the bloodline ability.

i dont think it would work on a Zd, but on a nightmare, it may do as it dies when the rider dies, but with Zd this is not the case?

perhaps this is better discussed in the 'rules of the night' section.

but in regards to rumours, i just wish we had something concrete to go off lol

i loved the old BD rules, lords were +2WS and automatically had full plate armour. but generated 1 less power dice. those rules right there are very easily incorporated into the new rules. just 2d6 - 1 dice when generating the pool of magic.

seems very plausable

 

[darragh]

the rumours say pics an info will most likely leak once januarys white dwarf goes to print people are saying it could go to print as early as tommorow right up untill christmas week so we could get some solid info or even pics pretty shortly

 

[Adam_Barrow]

Popped into my shop today and the owner let me read an email his GW rep sent him. January's White Dwarf available 7th January (usually shows up at the shop a couple days before release date), and "New Releases" available 14th January. (That's in the USA, don't hold me to UK/ect.)

 

[Seneschal]

Many fans of Mr. Kelly here, I see. I'm actually quite suprised since he did the original OK book and took over duties on the Beastmen after Andy Hoare left GW. I'm really not a fan of the beast book at atll. I actually parted with the army some time ago.

 

[Zanos]

If Phil Kelly writes it, let's hope for a Space Wolf/Dark Eldar treatment and not an Ork treatment

 

[NicholasLeMort]

I just noticed on the GW site (UK) that the battalion is also no longer available along with all the aformentioned.

Does this mean they will just be increasing its price or actually changing the content?

 

[old man doom]

I just noticed on the GW site (UK) that the battalion is also no longer available along with all the aformentioned.

Does this mean they will just be increasing its price or actually changing the content?

I really hope they don't raise the price or change the content. It might just be a repackaging with new army book cover art.

 

[Ohris]

Not sure if said already but the Army book is no longer for sale either.

# Availability: No Longer Available

 

[Wolfrahm]

Well after the stomping my VC took today from WoC, I hope that the new book fixes alot of things. I also agree that I hope it gets the DE treatment and since I kicked butt with my night goblins again tonight, I can't say the OnG book is bad alttle lopsided I will agree on.