Sunny's challenge

[PrinceCharming]

Sunny mannnn

how about this list

1500 points

Master necro, level 4
ToP
Dispel scroll

30 ghouls with ghast
20 zombies banner
8 crypt horros
8 crypt horrosr

Mortis engine

1478 points

 

[The Sun King]

@yuckfoo: Well I think there a plenty of good builds with Dual Engines that doesn't include a GG deathstar. What are you looking for specifically?

@Prince Charming: Seems pretty good, I would cut the ToP for a Seed of Rebirth and get some more Ghouls.

 

[yuckfoo]

I'm trying to see how the GG deathstar ME list would do against the WOC chariot core DP lists. As well asother ME renditions?

 

[Johnny-Crass]

Any army you want but it must utilize the wizard hat

 

[yuckfoo]

Any army you want but it must utilize the wizard hat

And what is the "wizard hat"?

 

[The Sun King]

Well considering the high armour save in the WoC army the GG's will probably be a good pick.

@ Johnny: LOL! I'll see what I can do.

 

[Nagashizzar]

As I understand you will not play with Zombies anymore with the new FAQs ?

 

[The Sun King]

Well I have to since my current league list has 4 units of 20 so I guess I'm stuck untill the league ends.

Here's what I think will happen with Zombies:
1. They won't get fielded 20 strong as often.
2. People will start choosing Skels with sword and board as their Banner bearers(I think I will at least).
3. Zombies will get fielded 30+ strong.
4. They will mostly be used as bunkers for wizards.
5. They won't be used as cheap deployment drops.
6. Armies incorporating many Zombies will rely more on LoV than before since they don't function as well as roadblocks.

In total I think Zombies will still get fielded but it shortens the gap between them and Skels which means that Skels are more viable now and that our overall powerlevel in Core has dropped a bit.

 

[Natalie]

Sunny I need help.....Im entering a 1200 pt league game.

Restrictions as follows:

-This is a standard format 1200Pts
when you choose your race you HAVE to stick with it, but your army list can change each week
Minimum of 3 units (all but characters class as units)
Lord up to 300points
Heroes up to 300points
Core 300points or more
Special up to 600points
Rare up to 300points
-No restrictions to Army’s or magic items if it will fit in your army list points you can take it
-No restrictions to special character’s


Can field any models apart from the restrictions above Sunny....

Fire Away!!!


PS Thanks in advance x

Natalie


PPS If you can sort an army without GG that would be great but if GG are necessary then I will go buy some....I have got Black Knights (14) if needed instead

 

[The Sun King]

Hey Nat - I'm always up for a challenge, but since there wasn't enough restrictions I added some myself: take as many CH as possible

Natalies 1200 pts list
LORD
Master Necromancer: Level 4 Wizard LoV

CORE
20 Zombies
36 Crypt Ghouls: Crypt Ghast

SPECIAL
8 Crypt Horrors
7 Crypt Horrors
Total Army Points: 1200pts

This list is VERY simple but also VERY effective. Field your MN in the Zed bunker behind your mainline where you have Ghouls in the centre and CH on each flank. March forward and cast IoN. Rinse and repeat.

 

[xFallenx]

Hi Sunny;
How about 2,996 VC all comers,
Comp:
BRB: As on pg 134-135, Max 12 PD, no Folding Fortress.
Monstrous Arcanum: No Basalisk, No Titan or Destroyer (Count as Rare).
Storm of Magic: No Mystical Artifacts or army pacts (Count as Rare).

 

[The Sun King]

Sadly Fallen I do not own Storm of Magic or Monstrous Arcanum

 

[yuckfoo]

So, with the new FAQ changes is it back to good 'ol mindrazor? Because it has worked wonders for me and I don't have to play a comped list so I can throw 6 dice at it. I also don't care too much about miscasts because I listened to Sunny and always bring an Earthing Rod. I'm trying to find an updated Mindrazor list. So far I know I need like 40 ghouls and 40 skellies and obv. 2 MEs, but what else would I want to include besides the obvious? I will have like 500 extra points to mess around with as well because I will probably make a 2500 and a 3000 point list.

 

[Vipoid]

I also don't care too much about miscasts because I listened to Sunny and always bring an Earthing Rod.

This confuses me.

If you only have 1 vampire with an earthing rod, how do you reliably get mindrazor?

If you have 2 vampires, one with earthing rod, how do you guarantee that that vampire ends up with mindrazor?

 

[yuckfoo]

Ya, that's the risk in playing a mindrazor list, with 2 level 2 shadow vamps you have like a 75 percent chance to roll mindrazor. But, in my experience if you have at least one good magic phase and get off mind razor you will usually always win.

 

[Vipoid]

Ya, that's the risk in playing a mindrazor list, with 2 level 2 shadow vamps you have like a 75 percent chance to roll mindrazor. But, in my experience if you have at least one good magic phase and get off mind razor you will usually always win.

What I meant though was that, if you have 2 vampires, only one of them can have the Earthing Rod.

So, if the other vampire ends up with Mindrazor, he's still just as likely to blow himself up with a miscast.

 

[The Sun King]

@Yuckfoo, glad that I can be of help. If you want an armylist give me a formal challenge, like: 2500 pts, Mindrazor Dual Engines list. Or something like that.

@Vipoid: Well you can't be certain, and I don't know if I would bring an earthing rod on a level 2 but if you do I would roll for the other Vampire first since if that vampire doesn't get mindrazor there is a bigger chance that the second one(the one carrying the earthing rod) will get Mindrazor.

 

[Vipoid]

@Vipoid: Well you can't be certain, and I don't know if I would bring an earthing rod on a level 2 but if you do I would roll for the other Vampire first since if that vampire doesn't get mindrazor there is a bigger chance that the second one(the one carrying the earthing rod) will get Mindrazor.

Indeed - always roll spells on your least important wizard(s) first.

Out of interest though, let's say you rolled Mindrazor on the first vampire. Would you keep it, or would you swap it for the signature, in the hopes of rolling it again on the one with earthing rod?

 

[The Sun King]

Gods no! I would keep it definitely - everything else is too risky, especially since the signature doesn't "fill up" the magic slots, so in effect you would only reduce the spells to choose from by 1.

 

[Natalie]

2400 pt Black Knight bus list please..... x

 

[The Sun King]

Natalie's BK List
LORD:
Vampire Lord: Sword of Anti-Heros, Enchanted Shield, Red Fury, Quickblood, Talisman of Preservation, Level 4 Wizard LoV, Heavy Armour, Barded Nightmare

HEROES:
Vampire: Red Fury, Book of Arkhan, Heavy Armour, Barded Nightmare, Shield, Lance, Level 1 LoV
Vampire: Dispel Scroll, Red Fury, Heavy Armour, Barded Nightmare, Shield, Lance, Level 1 Shadow

CORE:
40 Crypt Ghouls: Crypt Ghast
5 Dire Wolves
5 Dire Wolves
24 Zombies: Banner
20 Zombies: Banner

SPECIAL:
13 Black Knights: FC, Lances, Barding, Banner of Swiftness

RARE:
Terrorgheist
Terrorgheist
Total Army Points: 2400pts

 

[Vipoid]

Out of interest, why Sword of Anti-Heroes on the vampire lord?

 

[The Sun King]

Because it's good?

EDIT: Well I could have picked Giant Blade or Sword of Bloodshed, but I really like Sword of Anti Heroes, it's cheap and it boosts BOTH attacks and Strength which is the selling point for me. I often find that with Sword of Bloodshed I have insane amounts of attacks, but not the strength to make them count, and with Giant Blade I feel I that I'm wasting points when the +2 S buff only affects 5 attacks.

 

[Natalie]

Sunny - What formation would you put the BK in please??

 

[Vipoid]

Because it's good?

EDIT: Well I could have picked Giant Blade or Sword of Bloodshed, but I really like Sword of Anti Heroes, it's cheap and it boosts BOTH attacks and Strength which is the selling point for me. I often find that with Sword of Bloodshed I have insane amounts of attacks, but not the strength to make them count, and with Giant Blade I feel I that I'm wasting points when the +2 S buff only affects 5 attacks.

Interesting.

But then, surely you must feel that you're wasting points if you run into a unit without characters - and you're not boosting strength or attacks?