Haha I love your old man sourness, and thanks for liking the list, I'll post a revised version soon - got some good ideas 
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I recently went to a summerhouse and had a weekend of massive drinking, Warhammer Quest(old school stuff eh?) and of course Warhammer Fantasy with my friends.
Got my two first games in with the new Lizardmen(an army I just started but have already fallen in love with). I played with the following list:
Scrambled Eggs
Lord
Slann: Lore Master High Magic, Ethereal, Magic Resistance 2, BSB, Earthing Rod
Hero
Skink Priest
Level 1 Heavens, DS
Skink Cheif
Ancient Steg w. Sharpened horns, Egg of Quango, Spear, Charmed Shield, Light Armor
Core
44 Sarus Warriors: FC, Spears
10 Skink Skirmishers
10 Skink Skirmishers
10 Skink Skirmishers
Special
6 Chameleons
6 Chameleons
3 Terradon Riders: Fireleech Bolas
Rare
Ancient Stegadon: Engine of the Gods, Sharpened Horns
2 Salamanders
2 Salamanders
I won both my games(yay for a first timer!). The first game was against a sphinx type Tomb Kings list with Khatep, that game was blood and glory and I won by
charging his Khatep bunker with my salamanders and killing his General. It was a close game though since the very next combat I would have lost because my Saurus
horde was taking a beating.
The second game was against a new Skaven player in our group. His list was very classic Skavenish This game was watchtower and I won in turn 7. The victory was 15-5
since my Saurus horde in the tower gave me 750 vps. This game was tiring, it took us 7 hours to finish... and we were tired to begin with
Okay so what have I learned?
- Stormbanner stops Lizardmen dead in the tracks when it comes to warmachine hunting(no flight no shooting... )
- High Magic is a very nice lore ESPECIALLY if you're Loremaster and have the LM lore attribute. I cannot say enough how cool it is to change spells all the time.
- Salamanders are still very strong and are great for hunting wizards which means they are a threat no matter what the enemy does. If he doesn't engage them he'll get
flames all over the place, and if he does engage them they'll rip most non elite things apart. I really like these dudes.
- Egg of Quango is THE COOLEST MAGIC ITEM EVER It is so good for a number of reasons: 1. it kills assassins who wants to kill your steg 2. it greatly increases the
damge output when you need it and 3. it means that your enemy has to deal with the threat.
- A horde of Saurus is maybe not the strongest build but it did me well in both games. First game they could take an insane beating and still survive and second game they
straight up won me the game since you don't get these badboys out of buildings
- Ancient Stegs are very good and with two of them and good warmachine hunting abilities you can often have them survive the game. At least one of them should make it through.
- Engine of the Gods is nice but I think I'll give my Saurus hand weapon and shields and drop the engine since it's a bit expensive and I never got to use the bound
spell or spell casting reduction.
- This brings me to another point about ancient stegs: Giant Blowpipes are a great defensive weapon! My ancient steg got charged by a necrosphinx and I got stand and shoot
with my 4d6 poison attacks - that took off 4 wounds of the sphinx and the Egg of Quango got the rest. The sphinx never landed a blow on my steg
- Walk between the worlds is an incredible spell! If I hadn't been so tired I would have used it to get my Ethereal Slann out of the way so it didn't get charged by
a doom wheel. It just has so many uses that spell.
- Fiery Convocation is amazing. If you think it over it's pretty insane: Get the spell through kill a bunch of units. Next turn in your opponents magic phase he'll have
to use around 5 power dice to DISPEL Fiery Convocation, which means he won't be able to do much else in the rest of the phase. Next turn guess what you do then? Cast
Fiery Convocation... rinse and repeat. This means that while his troops are burning up your opponent can't really use his magic phase for anything else than trying
to dispel.
- Skinks are still great but they really took a hit when they went from ld6 to 5. So watch out that they don't flee off the table.
- Predatory fighter is the bomb! I've heard many say that it's a liability but I really don't think so. It's just 1/6 more attacks... which is great
Well that was it for now
Got my two first games in with the new Lizardmen(an army I just started but have already fallen in love with). I played with the following list:
Scrambled Eggs
Lord
Slann: Lore Master High Magic, Ethereal, Magic Resistance 2, BSB, Earthing Rod
Hero
Skink Priest
Level 1 Heavens, DS
Skink Cheif
Ancient Steg w. Sharpened horns, Egg of Quango, Spear, Charmed Shield, Light Armor
Core
44 Sarus Warriors: FC, Spears
10 Skink Skirmishers
10 Skink Skirmishers
10 Skink Skirmishers
Special
6 Chameleons
6 Chameleons
3 Terradon Riders: Fireleech Bolas
Rare
Ancient Stegadon: Engine of the Gods, Sharpened Horns
2 Salamanders
2 Salamanders
I won both my games(yay for a first timer!). The first game was against a sphinx type Tomb Kings list with Khatep, that game was blood and glory and I won by
charging his Khatep bunker with my salamanders and killing his General. It was a close game though since the very next combat I would have lost because my Saurus
horde was taking a beating.
The second game was against a new Skaven player in our group. His list was very classic Skavenish This game was watchtower and I won in turn 7. The victory was 15-5
since my Saurus horde in the tower gave me 750 vps. This game was tiring, it took us 7 hours to finish... and we were tired to begin with
Okay so what have I learned?
- Stormbanner stops Lizardmen dead in the tracks when it comes to warmachine hunting(no flight no shooting... )
- High Magic is a very nice lore ESPECIALLY if you're Loremaster and have the LM lore attribute. I cannot say enough how cool it is to change spells all the time.
- Salamanders are still very strong and are great for hunting wizards which means they are a threat no matter what the enemy does. If he doesn't engage them he'll get
flames all over the place, and if he does engage them they'll rip most non elite things apart. I really like these dudes.
- Egg of Quango is THE COOLEST MAGIC ITEM EVER It is so good for a number of reasons: 1. it kills assassins who wants to kill your steg 2. it greatly increases the
damge output when you need it and 3. it means that your enemy has to deal with the threat.
- A horde of Saurus is maybe not the strongest build but it did me well in both games. First game they could take an insane beating and still survive and second game they
straight up won me the game since you don't get these badboys out of buildings
- Ancient Stegs are very good and with two of them and good warmachine hunting abilities you can often have them survive the game. At least one of them should make it through.
- Engine of the Gods is nice but I think I'll give my Saurus hand weapon and shields and drop the engine since it's a bit expensive and I never got to use the bound
spell or spell casting reduction.
- This brings me to another point about ancient stegs: Giant Blowpipes are a great defensive weapon! My ancient steg got charged by a necrosphinx and I got stand and shoot
with my 4d6 poison attacks - that took off 4 wounds of the sphinx and the Egg of Quango got the rest. The sphinx never landed a blow on my steg
- Walk between the worlds is an incredible spell! If I hadn't been so tired I would have used it to get my Ethereal Slann out of the way so it didn't get charged by
a doom wheel. It just has so many uses that spell.
- Fiery Convocation is amazing. If you think it over it's pretty insane: Get the spell through kill a bunch of units. Next turn in your opponents magic phase he'll have
to use around 5 power dice to DISPEL Fiery Convocation, which means he won't be able to do much else in the rest of the phase. Next turn guess what you do then? Cast
Fiery Convocation... rinse and repeat. This means that while his troops are burning up your opponent can't really use his magic phase for anything else than trying
to dispel.
- Skinks are still great but they really took a hit when they went from ld6 to 5. So watch out that they don't flee off the table.
- Predatory fighter is the bomb! I've heard many say that it's a liability but I really don't think so. It's just 1/6 more attacks... which is great
Well that was it for now
Can you come up with an effective msu list? So loads of small units at the smallest allowable unit size? Let's see how many drops you can get in 1 list
The Sun King said:
Whilst I'm liking the list, it happens to be illegal. Only 1 unit of peasant bowmen can skirmish.
Now, the challenge:
A competitive list where no unit or character has the 'infantry' unit type, no unit or character has the vampiric special rule, no terrorgheist.
Nightreaver
Ghoul
Johann said:
You mean the beautiful days when you would keep your necros OUT of a unit? Standing behind a 50-strong skelly unit and rezzing 2d6 of them per turn. Also having access to dark magic and getting off this precious soul stealer on the flank. The mummies, wight kings on zombie dragons... These were the good days.
Hey Sunny, I am a new player, could you build me a solid 2500 pt list with the models I currently have at my disposal.
Current Models:
1x Vampire Lord Zombie Dragon
1x Master Necromancer / Necromancer
1x Vampire / Vampire Lord
10x Blood Knights
15x Black Knights
30x Skeletons
20x Ghouls
80x Zombies
1x Mortis Engine
The list does not have to compose of all the models. Units and models can be removed to make the list more viable, but I wish to use up what I have, as much as I can.
Thanks!
Current Models:
1x Vampire Lord Zombie Dragon
1x Master Necromancer / Necromancer
1x Vampire / Vampire Lord
10x Blood Knights
15x Black Knights
30x Skeletons
20x Ghouls
80x Zombies
1x Mortis Engine
The list does not have to compose of all the models. Units and models can be removed to make the list more viable, but I wish to use up what I have, as much as I can.
Thanks!
PrinceCharming
Black Knight
hi sunny,
i would like to see u make an uncomped list, as hard as u can get,
max 2k points, and needs to have 2 terrorgheists! no knight buss please
i would like to see u make an uncomped list, as hard as u can get,
max 2k points, and needs to have 2 terrorgheists! no knight buss please
Hey Sunny, Got a Lizardman challenge for you - 2500, has to have a Slaan, Saurus and 3 ripperdactyl units, competitive if you can but not compulsory.
have at it!
have at it!
Aurvandils "What I got" list
LORDS:
Vampire Lord: Talisman of Preservation, Red Fury, Quickblood, Enchanted Shield, Heavy Armour, Barded Nightmare, Lance
Master Necromancer: Earthing Rod, Level 4 Wizard Death
HERO:
Necromancer: Dispel Scroll
CORE:
20 Zombies: Banner
20 Zombies: Banner
20 Zombies: Banner
20 Zombies: Banner
41 Crypt Ghouls: Ghast
SPECIAL:
14 Black Knights: FC, Standard Bearer, Lances, Barding, Banner of Swiftness
1 Spirit Host
1 Spirit Host
RARE:
Mortis Engine
6 Blood Knights: Musician, Standard Bearer, Flag of Blood Keep
Total Army Points: 2499pts
Prince Charming's 2k cheese
LORDS:
Master Necromancer: Earthing Rod, Level 4 Wizard Death
Master Necromancer: Dispel Scroll, Level 4 Wizard LoV
HERO:
Necromancer: Forbidden Rod
CORE:
21 Zombies: Banner
20 Zombies: Banner
38 Crypt Ghouls: Crypt Ghast
SPECIAL:
9 Crypt Horrors
Spirit Host
Spirit Host
Spirit Host
RARE:
Terrorgheist
Terrorgheist
Total Army Points: 2000pts
LORDS:
Vampire Lord: Talisman of Preservation, Red Fury, Quickblood, Enchanted Shield, Heavy Armour, Barded Nightmare, Lance
Master Necromancer: Earthing Rod, Level 4 Wizard Death
HERO:
Necromancer: Dispel Scroll
CORE:
20 Zombies: Banner
20 Zombies: Banner
20 Zombies: Banner
20 Zombies: Banner
41 Crypt Ghouls: Ghast
SPECIAL:
14 Black Knights: FC, Standard Bearer, Lances, Barding, Banner of Swiftness
1 Spirit Host
1 Spirit Host
RARE:
Mortis Engine
6 Blood Knights: Musician, Standard Bearer, Flag of Blood Keep
Total Army Points: 2499pts
Prince Charming's 2k cheese
LORDS:
Master Necromancer: Earthing Rod, Level 4 Wizard Death
Master Necromancer: Dispel Scroll, Level 4 Wizard LoV
HERO:
Necromancer: Forbidden Rod
CORE:
21 Zombies: Banner
20 Zombies: Banner
38 Crypt Ghouls: Crypt Ghast
SPECIAL:
9 Crypt Horrors
Spirit Host
Spirit Host
Spirit Host
RARE:
Terrorgheist
Terrorgheist
Total Army Points: 2000pts
Hi Sunny,
I see your thread here is still going strong. I have enjoyed reading through a lot of the posts. I got a rather interesting idea for you. Every year my area hosts a big tournament called the Black Sheep Brawl. I took my Tomb Kings to it last year. While some of my friends we where talking about taking armies that have at least 50% core. When I said I would actually enjoy to field a Bretonnian peasant army.
So here is my challenge to you. A competitive 2400 peasant themed Bretonnian army. Things that I wish to have included are Mounted Yeomen, Grail Reliquare (needs one model with a grail vow), Men at Arms, plenty of bowmen. Things I know needed in the list are at least a unit of Knights of the realm and a Battle Standard Bearer. What things I am looking for is at least crown of command, the prayer icon, two trebucts, a heroic killing blow character, a rank and file killer, and if possible the dual set up with the magic weapon destroying mace.
I hope this will give you a great challenge. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with. As I got a draft kinda designed
all ready. Looking to "get out of the box" in terms of thinking that this army brings nothing but knights.
I see your thread here is still going strong. I have enjoyed reading through a lot of the posts. I got a rather interesting idea for you. Every year my area hosts a big tournament called the Black Sheep Brawl. I took my Tomb Kings to it last year. While some of my friends we where talking about taking armies that have at least 50% core. When I said I would actually enjoy to field a Bretonnian peasant army.
So here is my challenge to you. A competitive 2400 peasant themed Bretonnian army. Things that I wish to have included are Mounted Yeomen, Grail Reliquare (needs one model with a grail vow), Men at Arms, plenty of bowmen. Things I know needed in the list are at least a unit of Knights of the realm and a Battle Standard Bearer. What things I am looking for is at least crown of command, the prayer icon, two trebucts, a heroic killing blow character, a rank and file killer, and if possible the dual set up with the magic weapon destroying mace.
I hope this will give you a great challenge. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with. As I got a draft kinda designed
all ready. Looking to "get out of the box" in terms of thinking that this army brings nothing but knights.
50% that's a great challenge Sume! Not sure I'll be able to make a competetive peasant army though. Here we go:
LORD
Prophetess of the Lady: Talisman of Preservation, Earthing Rod, Level 4 Wizard Heavens, Bretonnian Warhorse
HEROES
Damsel of the Lady: Prayer Icon of Quenelles, Dispel Scroll
Paladin: Gromril Great Helm, Sword of Might, Battle Standard, Barded Bretonnian Warhorse
Paladin: Dawnstone, Enchanted Shield, Barded Bretonnian Warhorse, Lance
CORE
58 Men-at-arms: FC
57 Men-at-arms: FC
15 Knights of the Realm: FC, Standard of Dicipline
14 Peasant Bowmen: Musician, Braziers, Skirmish
14 Peasant Bowmen: Braziers, Musician
14 Peasant Bowmen: Braziers, Musician
SPECIAL
Grail Reliquae with 24 Battle Pilgrims
RARE
Field Trebuchet
Field Trebuchet
Total Army Points: 2500pts
LORD
Prophetess of the Lady: Talisman of Preservation, Earthing Rod, Level 4 Wizard Heavens, Bretonnian Warhorse
HEROES
Damsel of the Lady: Prayer Icon of Quenelles, Dispel Scroll
Paladin: Gromril Great Helm, Sword of Might, Battle Standard, Barded Bretonnian Warhorse
Paladin: Dawnstone, Enchanted Shield, Barded Bretonnian Warhorse, Lance
CORE
58 Men-at-arms: FC
57 Men-at-arms: FC
15 Knights of the Realm: FC, Standard of Dicipline
14 Peasant Bowmen: Musician, Braziers, Skirmish
14 Peasant Bowmen: Braziers, Musician
14 Peasant Bowmen: Braziers, Musician
SPECIAL
Grail Reliquae with 24 Battle Pilgrims
RARE
Field Trebuchet
Field Trebuchet
Total Army Points: 2500pts
Thank you, Sunny. That is probably a tough challenge. As I been fiddling with it for a few days myself. Here is the link to what I came up and a long explanation. I like elements of both of what you did and I did.
https://www.vampirecounts.net/Thread-2400-Bretonia-Peasant-Theme
https://www.vampirecounts.net/Thread-2400-Bretonia-Peasant-Theme
Hellwraith
Zombie
I have a new challenge, Sunny:
2000pts
A Master Necromancer AND a SGK as lords (this can only go well ).
- SGK should probably have a DBG, but I leave the rest of the equipment allocation to you, as well as whether the MN is lv3 or lv4.
- No cavalry
2000pts
A Master Necromancer AND a SGK as lords (this can only go well
).- SGK should probably have a DBG, but I leave the rest of the equipment allocation to you, as well as whether the MN is lv3 or lv4.
- No cavalry
You're still alive Johnny! How swell! What challenge are you refering to Johnny?
Oh yeah, and sorry guys - I'm in the middle of moving so I don't have that much time online
What challenge are you refering to Johnny?Oh yeah, and sorry guys - I'm in the middle of moving so I don't have that much time online
The Sun King said:You're still alive Johnny! How swell!
Oh yeah, and sorry guys - I'm in the middle of moving so I don't have that much time online
Well you clearly need more work so:
2,5k game skaven.
Grey seer on bell
Large unit 40+ of stormvermin
Rest is free game.!
@Bull - you want me to make a Skaven list?
And while you guys wait for my challenges I would like comments on my first take at a Slaanesh WoC list:
Lord
Daemon Prince: Level 4 Slaanesh, Daemon of Slaanesh, Daemonic Flight, Chaos Armour, Earthing Rod, Scaled Skin, Soul Feeder, Flame breath
Hero:
Exalted Hero: Mark of Slaanesh, BSB, Talisman of Preservation, Scaled Skin, Great Weapon, DBG
Core:
Chaos Chariot: Mark of Slaanesh
Chaos Chariot: Mark of Slaanesh
Chaos Chariot: Mark of Slaanesh
Chaos Chariot: Mark of Slaanesh
Chaos Chariot: Mark of Slaanesh
8 Warhounds
Special:
Chimera: Flaming Breath, Regeneration, Poison
Chimera: Flaming Breath, Regeneration, Poison
24 Chosen: FC, Shields, Mark of Slaanesh. Banner of Swiftness
Total army points: 2498
And while you guys wait for my challenges I would like comments on my first take at a Slaanesh WoC list:
Lord
Daemon Prince: Level 4 Slaanesh, Daemon of Slaanesh, Daemonic Flight, Chaos Armour, Earthing Rod, Scaled Skin, Soul Feeder, Flame breath
Hero:
Exalted Hero: Mark of Slaanesh, BSB, Talisman of Preservation, Scaled Skin, Great Weapon, DBG
Core:
Chaos Chariot: Mark of Slaanesh
Chaos Chariot: Mark of Slaanesh
Chaos Chariot: Mark of Slaanesh
Chaos Chariot: Mark of Slaanesh
Chaos Chariot: Mark of Slaanesh
8 Warhounds
Special:
Chimera: Flaming Breath, Regeneration, Poison
Chimera: Flaming Breath, Regeneration, Poison
24 Chosen: FC, Shields, Mark of Slaanesh. Banner of Swiftness
Total army points: 2498
The Sun King said:@Bull - you want me to make a Skaven list?
And while you guys wait for my challenges I would like comments on my first take at a Slaanesh WoC list:
Lord
Daemon Prince: Level 4 Slaanesh, Daemon of Slaanesh, Daemonic Flight, Chaos Armour, Earthing Rod, Scaled Skin, Soul Feeder, Flame breath
Hero:
Exalted Hero: Mark of Slaanesh, BSB, Talisman of Preservation, Scaled Skin, Great Weapon, DBG
Core:
Chaos Chariot: Mark of Slaanesh
Chaos Chariot: Mark of Slaanesh
Chaos Chariot: Mark of Slaanesh
Chaos Chariot: Mark of Slaanesh
Chaos Chariot: Mark of Slaanesh
8 Warhounds
Special:
Chimera: Flaming Breath, Regeneration, Poison
Chimera: Flaming Breath, Regeneration, Poison
24 Chosen: FC, Shields, Mark of Slaanesh. Banner of Swiftness
Total army points: 2498
Yes! Yes I do
Looks rather solid. Why no hellstrider love?
Heavy ethereal use will cause you trouble though, but you fliers can cope somewhat with that.
I do love hellstriders but there wasn't really room for it if I wanted my Chosen (awesome conversion in the works) in the list.
Good thing with Ethereal: I'm the only active VC player in the gaming group
Good thing with Ethereal: I'm the only active VC player in the gaming group
The Sun King said:I do love hellstriders but there wasn't really room for it if I wanted my Chosen (awesome conversion in the works) in the list.
Good thing with Ethereal: I'm the only active VC player in the gaming group
Cool
erv: with no ethereals you could easily dedicate one or more of your charriots to pave the way for the chosen and score some easy points!!Sunny make that p-log damn you!!
I was going to suggest the lore of shadow but I gave the lore of slaanesh a read and it actually looks pretty damn good, plus people don't know it as well as the lore of shadow.
@Bull: Get to Copenhagen and play with me damnit! - then you can look at my models (that isn't half as well painted as yours) 
Yeah Lore of Slaanesh looks really good, and also Shadow is boring and overrated. If I ran a Slaanesh DoC I would probably take Shadow for Mindrazorzzzz on Daemonettes
Yeah Lore of Slaanesh looks really good, and also Shadow is boring and overrated. If I ran a Slaanesh DoC I would probably take Shadow for Mindrazorzzzz on Daemonettes