@Infernal Skull I'm glad someone appreciated the humor of the RAW argument I brought up. I don't know how anyone can argue against it since it specifically states that that's what you use from the book. RAI is certainly not that way though.
Let's just all give this argument a rest and wait for an FAQ. I liked my compromise idea (yes, use magic items but no crossing magic items or coven thrones in skeleton chariot units). This is the middle ground between not allowing anything and allowing everything. Simply saying that UL counts as both TK and VC armies isn't a good solution as this would allow everything. Saying that strictly RAW is the way to go isn't a good solution either because as I've explained it means UL wizards only get lore of undeath. So a compromise is a good idea until the FAQ is released.
Just trying to be a peacekeeper here.
That's not exactly what's going in with this debate here or elsewhere online. What's happened is the majority of players, including GW, are stating units use the options and special rules in their army books (ie including magic items and
TK on chaos joining their chariot units). Then their are a number of splinter arguments that believe different things.
One argument claims you treat all the mentioning of tomb kings and vampire counts as undead legion (no where does the rules say that). Another states magic items can only be used by their original army book, and since undead legions is neither a
TK or
VC army, then it can't use magic items that the tip of the page says these are for use in those armies (this is the argument being debate here). This debate comes down to the p.20 text and the definition of 'options found in
VC/
TK books'. Most of us think options applies to the
VC magic items, this counter argument Lord Tobiothan is taking doesn't. A third argument thinks their magic items and unit options are totally merged allowing magic items to be shared and coven thrones/corpse carts to join chariot units.
The position most of us are in and all of GW according to my source is the one that allows the
TK and
VC elements to be the same outside and within the undead legion army. The only real difference being army special rules and certain special characters not allowed. When you look at the options, personal I think that is the one that makes the most sense and causes the least confusion.
With that said, we are just circling at this point. Some posts are starting to seem a little edgy and nothing productive is occurring. I'm fine allowing this debate as long as it stays civil but I do want everyone to note how disruptive this debate can be in a thread, which is why I curbed it in the undead legions combo thread started by
@damian.
One final point that has surfaced. Options are defined as including magic items in the army book itself. The pg. 20 rules statestate use options as found in
VC. This technically connects how you choose options in the vampire counts army with the undead legions list.
Also, the entire counter argument is based on the VCp.62 where it says "on these pages are magic items available to Vampire Counts armies." The no magic item camp claims the words Vampire Counts army means Undead Legions armies can't use them. The pro magic item argument claims the text on p.20 Nagash gives permission by saying options found in Warhammer Vampire Counts.
What's interesting, when GW refers to armies in actual rules, they state Warhammer: X. Just like the Nagash book. When they speak in non rules descriptive speech, they say X army. So if we are going to get uber technical, Nagash p.20 is referring to the vampire counts army book and everything in it. The header at the top of the magic item page is referring to vampire counts armies in a general non-rule sense. Nagash book is actually properily written rules.
