Vampire Counts Rumours

[Grish]

I think the BK will still be there, but they're going to get a serious redressing in terms of points. 23 pts a model currently is very cheap for what you get. I'd expect them, if they were to stay exactly as is, to cost around 27 pts a model or so. They're super good for their cost currently.

 

[W0lf]

black knights are not in the vc book.

A staff member who read the book confirmed this. (he was at notingham for his 15 years as a gw staff member and they let him look at the book...)

Oh and hes very trustworthy.

 

[Master Vampire]

I think Black Knights will get nerfed. I think they'll have a different name, won't be Wights at all, but regular Skeletons with either a Lance or Spear. Furthermore, maybe a maximum 4+ save (light armour, horseback and shield?) but can move, like Ethereals now, through all kinds of terrain (including impassable, if the move doesn't end on the impassable terrain itself).

Clearly GW wants the BK's to be way faster and mobile, yet weaker. Blood Knights will be the new pimped BK's of now...

 

[Grish]

That's really too bad. I love the Black Knights, they're just stellar (except for a WS of 3, but that's what BoB is for...) Well, still some time to make use of them, that's for sure.

 

[Lord Fear]

They're probably just changing them so players have to use the £6 a model horrible unbarded skellies rather than converting their own from boxes of Empire/ Bretonnian Knights at a fraction of the cost...

 

[N.I.B]

I think Black Knights will get nerfed. I think they'll have a different name, won't be Wights at all, but regular Skeletons with either a Lance or Spear. Furthermore, maybe a maximum 4+ save (light armour, horseback and shield?)

Well, that is kind of what I was quoting...

And it sucks. Either field the fragile crappy KotBK, or go TK horsemen :devil:

 

[Thanmar Thrask]

After looking through the posts, I am drawing a few conclusions ( Correct me if i am wrong )

1. Vampire's will come in units or as monsters ( Knights, Vargulf )
2. Vampire's will get more important in games with less then 2000 points
3. Vampire's will become more versatily ( Or should I say, even more! )
4. Lots of units from the current army book get a hit with the nerfstick.

I also would like to add that the local salesman told me I'd better not waste money on neighter of the bat units anymore, since they will probably disapear.

I highly doubt this, but I still wonder wether anyone has heard of this before.

Thrask

 

[Zowy]

http://uk.games-workshop.com/whitedwarf/nextissue/

Mostly a Orc 40K issue, but stuck down in other games there is this.

" News: Quake in fear! The Vampires are coming…

 

[darknesseternal]

Just a question..

In any of the previous new army books that they have done for 7th ed, including the recent high elves, have they completely removed or changed drastically any of the existing units?

I know they have introduced new units, like with the goblin spider riders etc. but were not aware of any units disappearing altogether or morphing completely as what is being suggested is going to happen with the Black Knights? Just not sure that GW would run such a risk of pissing off all the VC players who have put together units of Black Knights, only to say 'sorry guys, they don't exist anymore...'.

 

[Luisjoey]

1. Vampire's will come in units or as monsters ( Knights, Vargulf )
2. Vampire's will get more important in games with less then 2000 points
3. Vampire's will become more versatily ( Or should I say, even more! )
4. Lots of units from the current army book get a hit with the nerfstick.

Well VC always look to me like a herohammer army, because most of the battle relies on heroes (vampires and necromancers) the core units are expendable while could do something countering enemies, and could get lucky inspiring fear.

the army should keep versatility on rares and special units, the blood keep knights seem good to me (to much bretonia but good). Banshes and coach are other two useful units.

But the rest is something like expendable so it would be cheap ($$$wise for GW) because you field 40 zombies and 20 skeletons units!

Do you guys agree with me?

 

[Veland]

Knowing the way GW has been treating its customers for years, I'm not surprised they'd show total disrespect for the money I'd spent for my 40 wight cavalry just to force me to buy another 40 of some new cavalry models.

But I got them here ;-) because I already have 40 skeleton horsemen daing back to 4th ed. And now what, ha ha! ;-)

There's plenty to tell about the GW's way of treating customers, and such. And also, we might hate the new rules, but actually, if January WD has news on new Vampires, then the book is printed and models are packed already, and we would just waste our precious time and nerves on cursing them, because that's not going to change anything right now (but I still hope it had some point a while ago when they were doing the book, maybe, just maybe, one of them considered some of our posts and discussions). Now let's wait to see the book and vote for or against GW with our money.

 

[CylonMaster44]

HEAR HEAR!
I agree with Veland, its just to late to whine now!
This is going to be a good christmas, because i'm a WD subsciber i get WD a week earlier than the general release. Friday the 21st is definately marked on my calender. I hope that WD show different pictures than the ones on the net, hopefully a nice picture of vlad... (drooled so much that i'm now drowning in my own saliva)

 

[Master Vampire]

http://uk.games-workshop.com/whitedwarf/nextissue/

Mostly a Orc 40K issue, but stuck down in other games there is this.

" News: Quake in fear! The Vampires are coming…

Good find Zowy!

 

[Arion]

Any one buying that issue?take pics of stuff we havent seen and post it up(if of course our zombified eagle eyes havent seen all the maggoty pics).

 

[Loekhi]

OMG... I don´t use BK a lot, they usually finish the battle very fast because of enemy fire or enemy ranks, particularly because of flank charges made by light cavalry (f...ing corners, I thought it wasn´t on your vision angle...) but I hate that new... Why don´t they let them being more or less powerful depending on the circumstances or tastes of the player?? I welcome the skeleton cavalry, but 50+ points for a heavy cavalry that (I don´t remember the word in english) disappears if you lose the combat (well, I realise that they are really tough, but frenzy... they will crash against the typical sacrificiable unit and will expose the flanks...) And what about ethereals???? T7????? are they going to become more material than ever???? Frankly, I have been really dissapointed with GW for ages, but this is the "coup de grace"...

 

[Elyrioth]

Any one buying that issue?take pics of stuff we havent seen and post it up(if of course our zombified eagle eyes havent seen all the maggoty pics).

well I have a subscription. Have done for 15 years!! So I'll see what I can do. Just as long as it does not infringe on copyright??

 

[Anthioran]

And what about ethereals???? T7????? are they going to become more material than ever????

I don't think ethereals will just be T7. They appear like that in the rules book to simplify things IMHO. GW can act stupidly sometimes (most of the times) but they are not that retarded..... I hope.


dew

 

[N.I.B]

3. Vampire's will become more versatily ( Or should I say, even more! )

Now why would you think that? We've heard almost nothing about the new powers, so we don't know if the new vampiric powers will be more versatile than the old. Vampires lose the ability to raise new units (a huge step back in versatility) and they sometimes start off weaker (no more vampire Lords).

The only thing they've got going is that vampire thralls will be able to make units within 6" march, and your general get an extra 100 points to spend.

I agree with Veland, its just to late to whine now!

Is it? And before, I guess you'd say it's too early to whine since nothing is confirmed. So tell me, when is the right time to whine?

 

[Bug16]

So tell me, when is the right time to whine?

Usually when there is cheese. :grin:

 

[Master Vampire]

Is it? And before, I guess you'd say it's too early to whine since nothing is confirmed. So tell me, when is the right time to whine?

Some people on Warseer like to whine about unconfirmed rumours... sometimes even whining about rumours from rumours...

I see no reason why you should whine. Sure Bloodlines are gone. We give and take.

I think it is impossible to say VC will get nerfed. There will be such a lot of discussion and protest that they'll at least revise the new list.

It's kinda weird though, the army that should be having expendable units get the most expensive Cavalry unit...

 

[Anthioran]

It's kinda weird though, the army that should be having expendable units get the most expensive Cavalry unit...

And the Varghulf doesn't seem cheap either....



dew

 

[The Dead of Night]

3. Vampire's will become more versatily ( Or should I say, even more! )

Now why would you think that? We've heard almost nothing about the new powers, so we don't know if the new vampiric powers will be more versatile than the old. Vampires lose the ability to raise new units (a huge step back in versatility) and they sometimes start off weaker (no more vampire Lords).

The only thing they've got going is that vampire thralls will be able to make units within 6" march, and your general get an extra 100 points to spend.

well the extra 100 points makes up for the loss of vampire lords. presumably you will be able to spend those 100 points recreating vampire lords if you so desire. Or you could spend them doing something else entirely, that's versatility. i.e. you aren't restricted in your upgrade, you can make a vamp lord or anything else, instead of just a vamp lord.

We do have some "evidence" that the vampire powers will be more versatile. 1 we have a rumour that there is a power that gives your zombies within a certain range Ws 7. Increasing their chance to hit and reducing most enemies chances to hit them. This is an inventive and new power, suggesting that GW has thought about the new powers and made some inventive and useful powers.

Plus we have rumours that say there are many many more powers than there used to be. While quality over quantity is usually desirable, the rumour suggested that all/most of the old powers were in along with many new ones. At the very least this suggests potential.

While neither of these this guarantee that Vampires will be more versatile, it suggests, to me at least, that versatility is the most likely result.

Unfortunately though, many people are focusing on the perceived negatives (which may or may not actually exist) and ignoring the potential of the good. We will see how the changes effect the army more clearly once the book is released, and more clearly again when a few month later when we have a chance to actually play test the changes ourselves. It is far too early to whine, it is far too early to judge and it is definantly far too early to be so pessimistic about changes we have limited info on. The fact that we have heard so little on the new powers is not a reason to assume they're horrible and vampires will have lost versatility. Instead welcome them, more powers is a positive thing, it isn't even remotely negative.

 

[Sphynx]

Well, I hope they improve the Vampire Count stats then. 80 points for +1A, +1W, +1Ld, +1In, +1Ws, +1Bs and +1Wizard level was a helluva bargain, even at the cost of an extra Hero slot and 0-1.

 

[N.I.B]

I reserve the right to have a healthy sceptictisism and to give a different perspective to the groundless cheers rising like kneejerk reactions to anything new. Some call that whining. But this is the FUN part, to discuss the vague rumours and their possible impact on gameplay! When everything is confirmed and common knowledge, the speculations are over and the hard-core gaming begins.

Warhammer forums without whining? I can't imagine

Some people on Warseer like to whine about unconfirmed rumours... sometimes even whining about rumours from rumours...

And some people like to praise unconfirmed rumours... sometimes even praising rumours about rumours... so? It's no different here, or at TWF or at the Blood Keep. People love to comment, it's what internet's about.

I see no reason why you should whine. Sure Bloodlines are gone. We give and take.

I haven't mentioned the loss of bloodlines since september, so I have no idea what you talk about. Has someone even read my posts in this thread? In my opinion, I haven't whined yet, I usually try to have be nuanced. I just defend the "right" to whine.

I think it is impossible to say VC will get nerfed.

Like it's impossible to say VC will be boosted, and yet I constantly see the cries of OMFG!!!VCwll0wnZ!!!!!!!KOTBK!!!!!!! which is highly annoying.

About vampire lords, Sphynx really said what's on my mind. The current lord is an insanely good deal, and I think we have to spend most of those 200 points to make up for the loss.

many people are focusing on the perceived negatives (which may or may not actually exist) and ignoring the potential of the good.

Is that a fact? I think it's the other way around, there's no end to the unfounded internet optimism, especially among newbies and at Warseer.

With that said, I can't wait to see the new powers! I have high expactations and I think the new VC will be awesome.

 

[Master Vampire]

Is that a fact? I think it's the other way around, there's no end to the unfounded internet optimism, especially among newbies and at Warseer.

Yes it is. It has been tested multiple times on real life things. Interactions from behind a pc screen is no different. People think negative, want negative and be negative. Just look at the news, or for your information, the countless threads about Swordmasters being overpowered.

Sure, new people wanting new HE are happy they get so many boosts. It wasn't optimism though, it was the truth.

But we're getting off topic.

Anymore of these non-sense, , posts will either be edited or deleted.