CylonMaster44 said:
No, not in the new book. Which is what I assume is under discussion. Vampires can only take the Lore of Vampires. There is a vampiric power which allows the learning of all spells from any other lore except life.
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No, not in the new book. Which is what I assume is under discussion. Vampires can only take the Lore of Vampires. There is a vampiric power which allows the learning of all spells from any other lore except life.
Banshees do affect ITP units. The range is 8" and the banshee can stand an shoot as a charge reaction. And she can do this in close comabt as well.CylonMaster44 said:
danceman said:
Konrad's maximum wound output is 24 if all attacks hit and wound. But because of how his sowrd works this is only possible in a multi-wound unit like ogres or trolls or TK chariots.
CylonMaster44 said:
Normal Vampires (the hero level) do not have an upgrade to lvl 2 casters. They can take a bloodline power that gives them an extra casting level, however. Lord level Vampires do have an upgrade from 2nd to 3rd and can take the bloodline power making them 4th.
Normal weapons and Armor cannot be taken with out the bloodline powers. Magic Armor and Weapons may be taken however.
The Lore of Vampire Spells 0, 1, and 2 (IoV, Raise dead and Danse) may be cast any number of times by any wizard in the same magic phase and may affect the same unit any number of times, though you can move no more than 8 with danse macarbre per magic phase.
These are known as the Necromancy spells and these are the only spells available to necromancers. Vampires roll on the lore of vampire chart as normal and the other spells (3,4,5,6) behave as normal spells.
Also I noticed a few things wrong on your rumor round up. How do i go about getting the right information to the moderators?
Actually it is 30 in theory. More likely to do 4-6 though.NecroNurgle said:
Actually the wording is that a unit can be moved only once per phase with Danse Macabre. You cannot, for instance, move 2" to get into better position before you cast again to make a 1-6" charge. Pretty important difference.
N.I.B. said:
You're right about the danse macabre, my bad. Though you can cast it again on the same unit to give them ASF and the ability to re-roll hits in the next combat.
But how are you getting thirty wounds? He gets 3 attacks base, and if he has frenzy he gets a 4th, if he hits and wounds with all of them he generates two wounds per attack which turn into another 8 attacks which each do two wounds. 8 wounds from the first set of attacks and another 16 more from the second set.
Oh, he has an extra hand weapon. I see. Well, he could get another attack from that, which would benefit from red fury, but would not benefit from the double wound power of his sword, so that's an extra 2 wounds possible. Looks like the maximum is 26. I guess we were both wrong :grin:
woa! Necronurgle thanx a lot. Welcome to the forum.
Banshees sound awesome :O. Really if they are only 75 points they are a steal. I doubt they can march without the general though...
A small question. Do you confirm that ghoulkin affects all units of ghouls?
Banshees sound awesome :O. Really if they are only 75 points they are a steal. I doubt they can march without the general though...
A small question. Do you confirm that ghoulkin affects all units of ghouls?
And the banshee will not be targeted with spells any more. Although this time wraiths will be the casualties 
If that's the case, that would be awesome, but I don't think it is. If that's what they intended the phrasing would have been more like "Konrad may use an additional hand weapon and still benefit from the use of his magic sword." As it's written he benefits from the additional hand weapon, and the benefit of an additional hand weapon is an extra attack.N.I.B. said:
What? How are you just adding more attacks in there? The first four attacks would do two wounds each. Which is already accounted for in the 8 wounds. Those eight wounds turn into 8 more attacks which do two wounds each making another 16. And if i'm right he gets an additional second weapon that does one wound and then does another wound, for +2. Or if N.I.B. is correct his off-hand attack turns into two wounds which generates another two attacks which do two wounds each for a total of another six. Either way, your math is wrong.Veland said:
NecroNurgle said:
Math is: 3 attacks normal + 1 frenzy + 1 Additional Handweapon = 5 attacks. Each do 2 wounds = 10 wounds, 10 more attacks. All those hit, = 20 additional wounds, = 30 altogether. If additional handweapon does not benefit from 2 wounds, then it's 26 wounds.
Ok a while back it was stated that grave guard where getting a "SIGNIFICANT" point reduction is this correct. By the way I would consider signigant to be 2 or more points cheaper per model.
On to bat swarms
1 their cheapr? what kind of percentage ?
2 Do they now get a full 20" fly range?
spoke to a fellow at GW today he confirmed IoN was a power that all vamps had and that it can be recast. Battalion box will have 20 skellies, 20 zombies 10 ghouls and 1 corpse cart.
On to bat swarms
1 their cheapr? what kind of percentage ?
2 Do they now get a full 20" fly range?
spoke to a fellow at GW today he confirmed IoN was a power that all vamps had and that it can be recast. Battalion box will have 20 skellies, 20 zombies 10 ghouls and 1 corpse cart.
I'd say gg are gonna be 10 points now, they seem to be going with the necro army points(75 for a banshee, skellys getting 1pt light armour as standard without going up in cost) for the new minis
1 They do. About 50% it is said
2 I believe they do.
About GG, I'm less sure. We haven't heard much about the stats/changes of the Wights in general. Only that Black Knights will become more mobile (eg Ethereal movement) and new models (not sure about BK's though).
But by the looks of it I think there is a bigger chance they'll be more expensive than now... or staying about the same.
Question:
Did we ever figure out if a Vampire has to buy the bloodline power to then be able to buy Magic Armor/Weapons (god how stupid would that be).
Did we ever figure out if a Vampire has to buy the bloodline power to then be able to buy Magic Armor/Weapons (god how stupid would that be).
Ya the guy that I spoke to at GW said that the only way to get armour was either the blood line power or to magic stuff.
BTW the guy was a strigoi player himself and stated that the whole army really is getting a bost, oh and when you I told him that I thought I would be running two corpse carts he said "you and everyone else" He really seemed impressed with what they can do.
BTW the guy was a strigoi player himself and stated that the whole army really is getting a bost, oh and when you I told him that I thought I would be running two corpse carts he said "you and everyone else" He really seemed impressed with what they can do.
imo the wording suggests that the extra hw does not benefit from the main hand sword's special abilities. Normally you can't have a mundane weapon and an extra hw, the rule is just making an exception to that.
As for the rest of it... Awesome. I am desperate for this new book to come out. There looks to be a number of very good changes, I think that the army as a whole will be a lot better at defending itself rather than relying on new units and troops being created, which should make for much more variety between VC armies.
As for the rest of it... Awesome. I am desperate for this new book to come out. There looks to be a number of very good changes, I think that the army as a whole will be a lot better at defending itself rather than relying on new units and troops being created, which should make for much more variety between VC armies.
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