AoS - 3rd AoS News Thread

[Oppenheimer]

Awww I'll miss the infinite arcane bolts. Looking up different spells is too much work!

I like the 5+ ward though, the 4+ only mortals was super annoying.

 

[El Syf]

I don’t know guys, I feel like his new warscroll is pretty trash for the increased points. If they’d lowered him to 800 or less maybe. Excited to see Morghasts profiles as I have loads of the damn things and Arkhan and Nagash making them battle line is very appreciated.

 

[The Sun King]

That ward bubble is huge. I think we will see some strong castle builds around him.

 

[Unas the slayer]

Yep, the problem here is not that the new warscroll isn't good.
The problem is that i highly doubt it will be worth the price of 965 points.
Reduced damage output and increased utilities is detrimental when you should inflict damage (being a half of the army) and you buff "only" 1000 pts of units.
A support hero should have something to support.

 

[Sception]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/06/battletome-soulblight-gravelords-ushers-in-a-new-era-of-ravenous-spell-slinging-vampires/

soulblight preview is up! Each subfaction is getting a unique heroic action - or in Avengoro's case a unique monstrous rampage. neat. also instead of locus, every spell will have its own 9+ benefit. They also standardized 'the hunger'.

not a lot of details, but what's here looks good.

 

[The Sun King]

Yeah those changes are amazing.

I really hope Avengorii will become good now.

The way they have rolled Locus of Shyish into the spells are really good design because the issue before was that: 1) everyone forget the rule existed and 2) it is hard to balance spells when they all need to take into account that they can be doubled.

 

[Sception]

I still would have preferred 'bloodline abilities' as bonus enhancements instead of these heroic/monstrous actions, if only because then each subfaction could have had like 3 or 4 to choose from, and that could have provided more of a reason to run multiple vampire lords in your army.

But whatever! these look good, even if the ones seen so far seem to skew heavily towards vengorian or VLoZD, since a combat buff is maybe wasted on a regular vampire lord who may not want to be in melee.

Regardless, pretty nice stuff so far. More than I was expecting already.

 

[Sception]

Gravelord leaks:

https://imgur.com/a/vWYncGd

 

[AmperomierzWojtek]

That's 160 points for wigth King makes me courious

 

[Sception]

re: wight kings

They're probably summonable now, so able to come back from the dead 1/game. Maybe more/better changes than that, but for that alone they might be slapped with a +50% tax.

 

[AmperomierzWojtek]

Deathrattle skeletons look interesting, I wonder if they will be played a little more often like zombies which if this is to be believed will need a corpse cart to deal mortals

 

[The Sun King]

Dear Mother of Nagash this is so exciting! Amazing on this book!

Edit: I have so many thoughts and opinions and hype!

The Corpse Cart for 70pts looks real good.

I love the way Zombies work now. More flavourful that they give mw on death.

Finally they gave better rend and range for Blood Knights.

If Prince Vhordrai is any indication it looks like the Zombie Dragon will be decent.

Loving that Vargheists are now Battleline for Avengori. And Fell Bats as Battleline for Legion of Night is spot on.

I AM LIKE A KID AT CHRISTMAS

 

[Count michael]

well this kinda sucks

 

[Gederas]

Well this is a lot to unpack. Firstly, Nagash:

Gotta say, I like Bone Daddy's new warscroll. I DON'T like his points, however. That's my big issue with AoS, some giant centerpiece models are reasonably costed (Krondys and Karaxai being around 5-600) and then you have ones that are.... Not (Nagash and Kragnos).

The leaked book... Kinda hard to read, but it looks like a LOT of units lost abilities? Seems that Skeletons don't get the stand-up ability anymore. Also, they also removed the Champion weapon from Skeletons now too! So you get FOUR weapon options in the box... And none of them matter!

 

[AmperomierzWojtek]

Skeletons still have this ability only as I understand it works at the beginning of the combat and throws for all slain units, in addition the change in weapons to 4/3 what in my opinion is quite nice because with the use of CP you can get the profile of 3/3 and even take out the rend from outnuber the opponent, in general I have the impression that now the battleline of the faction is more divided into specific tasks, wolves got a 6" pile in, zombies a nice combination with a corps cart and an additional attack, and skeletons finaly may prove to be more durable although the fact with this equipment is indeed comical.

edit:
Additionally i am very curious about black knights i love these models and that throw in mortals could be interesting to cut more units with at least 10 models

 

[The Sun King]

I am also super curious about Black Knights. I really really really hope they got a 4+ save.

Also super cool that Vyrkos can add d3 Dire wolves per turn and summon a whole unit of 10 once per game.

 

[Sception]

On the topic of nagash costing too many points, he costs fully 150 points more than running both Arkhan and Katakros, IMO he is, if anything /less good/ than Arkhan + Katakros.

That said, Arkhan and Katakros are fantastic, and both very reasonably priced. They were good before, but still, I'm quite excited to run them.

 

[AmperomierzWojtek]

Vyrkos look very strong a lot of synergy with deadwalker units can make it even better with zombies, however I must admit that quite interesting looking is legion of night, redeploy hero, cutting into enemy charge or fell bats as battleline.
I have to admit that the options for artifacts and command traits are really interesting and every dynasty will find something useful with them.

 

[Kiba]

It look like a really really fun book (and strong)

 

[The Sun King]

I agree - they really gave each subfaction a different play style. Loving that they have different actions, that means that they will feel tactically different from each other.

I am curious about Deathly Invocation. The last paragraph states that you get an extra model (not wound) back if the target unit is within 12" of a Gravesite.

 

[The Sun King]

Wight King + Grave Guards seem like a decent power pair.

Sadly Black Knights are still on 5+.

 

[Grave Tacticus]

Mir Kainan and his goons now act like they do in Underworlds, awesome. And the Boneshaper can now revive NS and IG! I'm loving this!

 

[Kiba]

Wight King + Grave Guards seem like a decent power pair.

Sadly Black Knights are still on 5+.

Yeah but oh my god the number of MW, paired with a Mounted Wight King, 5 MW on average on minimum sized units.

BTW summonable WK & Mounted WK is so great

 

[El Syf]

I haven’t had time to properly digest everything, so can someone a bit more equipped tell me if Manfred and Vhordrai are still a worthwhile combo in Kastelai?

 

[The Sun King]

Vhordrai is still strong. Mannfred... I am not sure.

Anothet thing: I might be reading it wrong but to me it looks like Legion of Blood's allegiance ability makes it so a Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon gets +1 attack to all its melee weapon profiles