Official Rumour Thread: New Vampire Counts Book

[Pladvoncarstein]

In effect what you just said is that you want our army bent over and nerf spanked.....

We need choice and we want our bloodlines back, we want to be able to shave some fun with our armies again and not just be same old same old all the time.
The Crumbling does need tweeking, characters and things with the vampire rule need their immunity back.
Nothing else, the fact is far to many people lose so much to a simple combat rez, Mannfred dies, why?
Because I charged, had 3 ranks and a banner, no wounds caused.......
Yeh, that seems fair, imortal champions of darkness beaten to death with math......

The only thing you have said you wanted was cheaper skellies, everything else you want to see ruined.
If you win every match thats you thing, just find a more powerful oponent or fight some different armies.

Not nerf spanked but brought inline with the other armies. No other army can can spam a spell on one or 2 dice and bring things back. No other army can make characters stupidly powerful (dont count DE unkillable dreadlord as I mullard him with terrorgheist scream). No other army that I can think of can have a unit of ethereal that no one but spells and characters with magic weapons can touch. Not many armies can have an elite unit hitting on 2s wounding on 2s.

 

[Zhatan]

Not nerf spanked but brought inline with the other armies. No other army can can spam a spell on one or 2 dice and bring things back. No other army can make characters stupidly powerful (dont count DE unkillable dreadlord as I mullard him with terrorgheist scream). No other army that I can think of can have a unit of ethereal that no one but spells and characters with magic weapons can touch. Not many armies can have an elite unit hitting on 2s wounding on 2s.

True invocation spam has to go but as we get rid of that we need alot of buffs to keep us competitive. Without invocation spam as it is now we would stand no chance imo.

Chaos have us beat in the character department as well.

Etherals aren't even hard to counter, if you face VC and don't bring some magic attacks you are stupid ad deserve the beating.

Buffed GG are op I agree and that I'm ok with them getting nerfed as long as we get otehr stuff that's viable.

 

[Pietr Von Carstein]

Has invocation spam not more or less gone in 8th edition already?
I know that it can still be cast quite a few times, but it cant be cast anywhere near as much as we could cast it in 7th.

 

[Lynks]

Invocation spam has gone but vanhels spam is still in roaring trade Pietr!

 

[Pladvoncarstein]

Invocation spam has gone but vanhels spam is still in roaring trade Pietr!

Thats a very good point Forgot all about that . It is far worse then invocation . I can move my GG up 8 inches away, my oponent thinks sweet can charge next turn then buzzinga I cast that and charge then cast again now my GG are striking first againt low int with re rolls and if i have a helm vamp nearby hitting on 2s wounding on 2s.

 

[Zhatan]

Invocation spam has gone but vanhels spam is still in roaring trade Pietr!

I still spam invocation
I guess it depends on your definition of spam though but using two vampires with motba and an average of 7 PD from rolls you get quite alot of dice to throw at it and it is often needed as well when facing alot of shooting.

I find that using invocation and raise upgrages are very cost effective in terms of PD and it drives my opponent nuts as he has to use alot of dice if he wants to try to dispell.

 

[Zanos]

The official VC rumour post is up on BoLS. Although strangely my GW site still has the current VC book up.

 

[Duke Danse Macabre]

We have a couple spamable spells, this is not a bad thing, it gives our army some overall power.
Also thats allot of points to spend to buff one unit, and they will not strike first if wounding on 2's as they will have great weapons, only I2 and under they would which is a very small amount of foes in the Warhammer world.

 

[darragh]

has anyone else heard that the new monstrous infantry are also to be a dual kit one option containing wings an that the black coach model is not being re done but pushed 2 finecast

 

[Wolfrahm]

Add bloodlines, add units, tweak the magic , work on the points values and leave the rest alone

 

[Forgotten Heretic]

Add bloodlines, add units, tweak the magic , work on the points values and leave the rest alone

and make zombies and dire wolves worth using, points and rules-wise

 

[darragh]

its also probably worth mentioning that spirit hosts will stay i had a flick through the blood in the bad lands book last nite an in the siege equipment options there is a vampire only stratagem that lets you summon a spirit host from the walls of the castle to represent the vampire summon souls of starved defenders or something along those lines it has a picture of the goofy old spirit hosts models though

 

[Forgotten Heretic]

finecast spirits then? it would be nice if they improved them in some way, their points cost is too high imo and the other specials are better

 

[darragh]

hopefully not id love to see them get a re do there embarrasing models and they need a re do rules wise as well its a pity they have the pottential to be awesome

 

[Pietr Von Carstein]

@Lynks Never said that it wasn't.

 

[elvendarkness]

Not sure if this has been mentioned or not but it would be nice if they upgraded the zombie miniatures to look more like the Mantic zombie miniatures. Excited about the new book and models, Thomas :konrad:

 

[Duke Danse Macabre]

Mantic zombies are good but I prefer the CC ones to be honest, they are more than able to create their own.

Well lets just hope if spirit hosts stay in the game and get new models its not just another cop out to not give us some range.

 

[spineyrequiem]

Yeah, corpse-cart style zombies would be great, but since they seem to change exactly what a zombie is every edition...

 

[Zhatan]

Mantic zombies are good but I prefer the CC ones to be honest, they are more than able to create their own.

Well lets just hope if spirit hosts stay in the game and get new models its not just another cop out to not give us some range.

I feel the opposite. CC zombies are ok but Mantic's are great and their ghoul models are far superior to GW ones as well though lacking variation.

 

[Monkey's_Uncle]

Mantic zombies are good but I prefer the CC ones to be honest, they are more than able to create their own.

Well lets just hope if spirit hosts stay in the game and get new models its not just another cop out to not give us some range.

I feel the opposite. CC zombies are ok but Mantic's are great and their ghoul models are far superior to GW ones as well though lacking variation.

You like the mantic ghouls?
Each to his own I suppose...

I much prefer the gw ones as I really like the hunched look of them, far more feral and nasty in my eyes.
I really like the cc zombies and a unit of them would be ace.

I definitely agree that new spirit hosts would be nice, an ability to make a barrows army would also be nice, I'd probably never do it, but it would add more variation (i.e. not having to have a vamp leading your force).

 

[Mad 'At]

Well, I guess I'm the only one who like the GW zombies. But that is an under statement, I love them!

I'm really hoping for some new rules for them that makes them useful. Then I can have the great pleasure of assembling the rest of my zombies ^^

 

[Nikos]

Well, I guess I'm the only one who like the GW zombies. But that is an under statement, I love them!

I'm really hoping for some new rules for them that makes them useful. Then I can have the great pleasure of assembling the rest of my zombies ^^

Far from it, I too think the zombie kit is ace and would be sad to see it go. :'( Its got bags of character and lots of fun to assemble.

 

[HERO]

My predictions for the upcoming VC book in terms of items:

The Black Axe of Krell or Frost Blade (depending on whether the Wight SC has the Axe or not)
Blood Drinker (classic VC item)
The Cadaverous Cuirass (a lot of overlapping armors in the 8th ed. BRB, so this would standout as unique)
Helm of Commandment (a very unique item for VC, since it's an itemized My Will Be Done)
The Carstein Ring (every book needs a crappy, item that's often times overpriced and fluffy)
Staff of Damnation (bound spells and unique to VC)
Book of Arkhan (same here)
Banner of Barrows (I see this over Drakenhoff because of the cries of 7th-8th)
The Flag of Blood Keep (a nice classic and unique item)

I'm basing this around the fact that Vampires will have Bloodlines brought back.

 

[Abbysal]

finecast spirits then? it would be nice if they improved them in some way, their points cost is too high imo and the other specials are better

Lets hope not! They'd bring out five Spirit host models in a fine-cast box set and it's guaranteed to cost 25.50 at least. Let's hope for the slightly cheaper but still getting ripped off option 0f 10 plastic models for 15-20 pounds.

 

[Baslakor]

I can't imagine that people would buy expensive fine-cast spirit hosts. The average bitbox has enough potential ghosts for any game.