Sunny's challenge

[The Sun King]

Vipoid's 2000 pts list
Okay here goes. I think you don't want a MN because you want a list that is not "magic heavy" as discussed in the other thread. While I like the restriction a list don't have to be magic heavy because it brings a level 4(actually I would not make a list without a level 4 if I'm making a competitive list). It's still interesting. Instead of focusing on Special choices I thought it would be cheaper to go the Razorton route with this list.


LORD
Strigoi Ghoul King: Ogre Blade, Red Fury, Dragonbane Gem

HEROES
Vampire: Sword of Swift Slaying, Red Fury, Enchanted Shield, Level 2 Wizard, Heavy Armour
Vampire: Red Fury, Dispel Scroll, Level 2 Wizard, Heavy Armour, Shield

CORE
40 Crypt Ghouls: Crypt Ghast
5 Dire Wolves
5 Dire Wolves
46 Skeleton Warriors: FC, Spears, Banner of Eternal Flame

RARE
Mortis Engine
Mortis Engine
Total Army Points: 2000pts


Vipoid's 1500 pts list
Okay so this list is really crippled by not having access to a level 4 MN. But hey, that was the challenge. Also it really lacks chaff, but other than that it hits like a ton of bricks(but wouldn't a ton of anything hit as hard?... never got that saying).

LORD
Strigoi Ghoul King: Dispel Scroll, Ogre Blade, Red Fury

HERO
Vampire: Sword of Swift Slaying, Red Fury, Enchanted Shield, Dragonbane Gem, Heavy Armour

CORE
38 x Crypt Ghouls: Crypt Ghast

SPECIAL
8 Crypt Horrors: Crypt Haunter

RARE
Terrorgheist
Total Army Points: 1498pts

 

[Johnny-Crass]

So no chaos dwarves?

 

[Alzarakh]

:tongue: Here's a fun one Sun King, this will help me decide how to expand my army.

2500pts
No Ghouls (Later... I know I know.)
0-6 Crypt Horrors AND/OR 0-6 Vargheists (Getting 2 boxes when I can, converting to get 12 models)
0-1 Varghulf
0-1 Terrorgheist
0-60 skellies with HW/Shield
0-40 GG with GW
0-25 dogs
0-2 Vamps
0-2 Necros
0-40 zombies (proxies okay, so more if you like)
0-2 Banshees
0-3 Wraiths
0-10 Black knights
0-1 BSB WK
0-1 Mounted Vamp (Non BSB)
0-1 CC

Anything else not listed you would need to make the list legal (Ex. I know 2 TG are good but I'll get another one later).

This is where the "What should I buy?" comes in Can only get 1 ME or similar costing model (Dollar wise). I know I'm a bit low on core; that's why I said no ghouls, I would need too many of them.

O&G/HE/Skaven/TK mostly. I like magic but would prefer to be able to be balanced.

 

[najo]

Sun, got three lists for you. They have to be competitive.

First challenge
• 2500 points
• lore of vampires only
• no special characters
• no red fury or magic weapons

Second challenge
• 2500 points
• must use master of the dead
• at least 2 units of skeletons
• no shadow magic

Third challenge
• 2500 points
• must use every magic item in vampire counts book (except special characters)

 

[najo]

Its not letting me edit. Change challenge three to this

Third challenge
• 2500 points
• must use every magic item in the vampire counts book except skabscrath
• no special characters

 

[Vipoid]

Thanks for those lists, they look very interesting.

I have to say though - I wasn't expecting to see Mortis Engines in the 2000pt list. I guess I'm just too used to seeing them with blasphemous tomes in magic-heavy lists.

Vipoid's 2000 pts list
Okay here goes. I think you don't want a MN because you want a list that is not "magic heavy" as discussed in the other thread.

Actually, it's much simpler - I just want my list to be led by a Vampire of some kind; not a necomancer (and I fear that it's one or the other at these points). A Lv4 Vampire Lord would be perfectly fine.

While I like the restriction a list don't have to be magic heavy because it brings a level 4(actually I would not make a list without a level 4 if I'm making a competitive list).

Sorry if this is a silly question, but why are Lv4 wizards so important?

Instead of focusing on Special choices I thought it would be cheaper to go the Razorton route with this list.

Probably continuing the silly questions here, but what is Razorton?


Anyway, thanks again for taking the time to come up with those lists.

 

[The Sun King]

@ Johnny: Thanks But I wouldn't have a clue where to start with CD so that would be a negatory on that one

@ Alzarakh and Najo: Awesome, looking forward to making those lists. Might take some time though since I'm pretty busy these days but I'll get right to it when I have the time

@ Vipoid: Always glad to suprise Well the very wise Seneschal wouldn't completely agree with me on the thing about a lvl 4 being a must-have. But I would still say that it is consensus that having a lvl 4 is almost mandatory in higher points. The reasons are numerous but most importantly the level 4 boosts both magical OFFENSE and DEFENSE, this is very important in 8th since big spells can change the game so you really don't want to give you opponent any wiggle room whatsoever. When playing VC you will also finde that the level 4 LoV caster will benefit greatly from the additional levels since it has direct impact on how fast you raise your units. Take CH for instance, having only a level 1 you would regain 2 wound per turn on them while a level 4 would regain 5(that's almost 2 whole CH right there).
Ahh, haha sorry on the lingo there Razorton means Skeletons with spears who has got Mindrazor cast on them(Okkam's Mindrazor is the 6th spell in the shadow lore). Hope this cleared it up!

 

[najo]

I second the necessary level 4. No matter how you cut it, we are a magic driven army and having good magic is key to our success.

With that, Sunny, I have a fourth challenge. Build a competitive army with no more than a single level 1 wizard.

 

[Johnny-Crass]

I can do that challenge easy

 

[najo]

Lol...and without a ghoul king!

 

[Johnny-Crass]

....Sonuva:mad2:

 

[Vipoid]

@ Vipoid: Always glad to suprise Well the very wise Seneschal wouldn't completely agree with me on the thing about a lvl 4 being a must-have. But I would still say that it is consensus that having a lvl 4 is almost mandatory in higher points. The reasons are numerous but most importantly the level 4 boosts both magical OFFENSE and DEFENSE, this is very important in 8th since big spells can change the game so you really don't want to give you opponent any wiggle room whatsoever. When playing VC you will also finde that the level 4 LoV caster will benefit greatly from the additional levels since it has direct impact on how fast you raise your units. Take CH for instance, having only a level 1 you would regain 2 wound per turn on them while a level 4 would regain 5(that's almost 2 whole CH right there).

Hmm, I'll probably try to include one more often then. Thanks for that explanation.

Ahh, haha sorry on the lingo there Razorton means Skeletons with spears who has got Mindrazor cast on them(Okkam's Mindrazor is the 6th spell in the shadow lore). Hope this cleared it up!

Ah, I see.

With that, Sunny, I have a fourth challenge. Build a competitive army with no more than a single level 1 wizard.

Lol...and without a ghoul king!

For the fun of it, I also issue this challenge - but without the last restriction (A Ghoul King is allowed).

 

[The Sun King]

Finally got a little time in to do a challenge, I'm gonna take them in chronological order so Alzarakh goes first:


Alzarakh's List
Strigoi Ghoul King: Fencer's Blade, Dragonbane Gem, Red Fury, Dispel Scroll
Master Necromancer: Level 4 Wizard Death

HEROES
Vampire: Sword of Swift Slaying, Red Fury, Enchanted Shield, Level 2 Wizard Shadow, Heavy Armour
Vampire: Sword of Strife, Charmed Shield, Red Fury, Level 2 Wizard Shadow, Heavy Armour

CORE
20 Zombies
20 Zombies
20 Zombies
49 Skeleton Warriors: FC, Banner of Swiftness Give these badboys Spears if you can proxy
5 Dire Wolves
5 Dire Wolves
5 Dire Wolves
5 Dire Wolves


SPECIAL
6 Crypt Horrors: Crypt Haunter
4 x Vargheists: Vargoyle

RARE
Varghulf
Terrorgheist
Total Army Points: 2500pts

 

[badfox7]

Ok two challenges at 2500.

First one is a list with only vampiric units(except core) and only using 6 vargheists.

Second one is a list made up of the least amount of units possible ( I believe it is 3)

 

[The Sun King]

Interesting Badfox... I've already done the first challenge earlier in this thread, but will look into the second one, sounds like a fun idea.

Najo's First Challenge
• 2500 points
• lore of vampires only
• no special characters
• no red fury or magic weapons

Okay so I really like this list as it's very symmetrical in a strange way... everything sort of just added up.

LORD
Master Necromancer: Talisman of Preservation, Level 4 Wizard

HERO
Necromancer: Dispel Scroll, Book of Arkhan
Necromancer: Staff of Damnation

CORE
41 Crypt Ghouls: Crypt Ghast
20 Zombies: Standard
20 Zombies
5 Dire Wolves
5 Dire Wolves

SPECIAL
40 Grave Guard: FC, Banner of the Barrows, Great Weapons
10 Crypt Horrors: Crypt Haunter

RARE
Mortis Engine
Mortis Engine: Blasphemous Tome
Total Army Points: 2500pts

Okay so the idea is that you have your three big blocks in the front and Bunkers with Necros in the back, then you have your ME's in the middle... then you march forward and kill everything in your way and raise your fallen comrades with 1 die on a 3+ because of BT.

 

[Alzarakh]

Nice list Sun king! Thanks, I'll give it a try when I play next and let you know how it goes. I don't think he'll mind proxies because he's been wanting to play higher point games.

Any tactical pointers?

 

[The Sun King]

Thanks! Take his characters out with Death Snipes, use your redirectors to get the match ups you want... you want your blenders to hit him where it hurts. Use the Vargs to hunt his machines or lone models(maybe even monsters). Use the CH as a Tarpit and scream at his expensive stuff with the TG. The Varghulf is tough and hits hard so stomp his infantry with it, often it can do so by itself.

Oh yeah and one last thing... throw Mindrazor on those 50 skels and watch your opponent suffer :konrad:

 

[najo]

Nice list Sunny! Its very clean, has some good tool kit features and has an almost zen-like quality to it. I see what you mean by its symmetry. I like it's simplicity, but depth to. Good job

 

[The Sun King]

You're welcome Najo!

 

[Johnny-Crass]

2999 list focused on Beasts

 

[Alzarakh]

Friend was busy. I'll let you know how the list does later Sun King.

 

[The Sun King]

@ Alzarakh: Looking forward to it!
@ Johnny: Haven't fooled around with beasts for VC yet so that's gonna be interesting

 

[The Sun King]

Sorry Najo but I have to skip your 3 other challenges since everybody has to get a turn and I lack time )I'll get around to your challenges later if I get the time).

BadFox's List 2500
Restrictions: Only 3 Units allowed in total.

LORDS
Master Necromancer: Talisman of Preservation, Level 4 Wizard (Death or LoV as the player prefers)
Strigoi Ghoul King: Dragonbane Gem, Dispel Scroll, Red Fury, Sword of Anti-Heros

CORE
62 Crypt Ghouls: Crypt Ghast

SPECIAL
18 Crypt Horrors: Crypt Haunter
40 Grave Guard: FC, Great Weapons, Banner of the Barrows
Total Army Points: 2499pts

 

[Johnny-Crass]

I would say if you are going big swap the GG for a massive unit of Blood Knights

 

[badfox7]

Nice list. It is probably pretty powerful. Would be interesting to see in a game and see how it does.