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Glad you like it Adam! First I wanted to put in a MN to save points... but then I thought - if you go flying circus... you go all the way 
I considered asking you to make the best army around 2~k, and by best I mean "Has the most Beaks"; But I think that might be a bit silly.
Me and my friend threw together a list that had predominately Flying units for the HEs the other day for shits and giggles. It was kinda funny, although I'm not convinced that HE's have the most beaks, I think Tzeentch with Pinkies (The ones with beaks, that is) would have the most, but that is almost cheating, and would be hella hard to make an army of, since they only have like 3 per box with the beak
On a more serious note:
I have 24x Warriors (Half Sword&Board, half Double HW), 20x Marauders, 30x Forsaken (Converted the other 20 Marauders), 10x Knights, 20x Pups, and 3x Chaos Trolls & Chaos Ogres + 1 Shaggoth; Any recommendation on where I should go with that?
I hear the Marauders are kinda trash now'a'days, and I have not really gotten a chance to play them. I had one 1.2k game and my friend took a god-damned lvl4 Wizard lord knowing I was taking like all core, and a min-point hero choice. I did not learn much, needless to say. I do plan on being primarily dedicated to Slaanesh with off Tzeentch, which is probably already in the realm of bad choices. Is it something to not dedicate every unit to a god? I felt like I was suppose to that first game, but I could see standing to save points sometimes? Slaaneshes bonus seems better in smaller units that would potentially panic to shooting, but I am not sure where it stands.
Heh, I guess, a list would be fine, preferably using things I have, but I'm more looking for where to head, so if anything I have is utter trash I would like to know I guess. And I understand if I am asking too many questions in general, so no need to answer everything
Me and my friend threw together a list that had predominately Flying units for the HEs the other day for shits and giggles. It was kinda funny, although I'm not convinced that HE's have the most beaks, I think Tzeentch with Pinkies (The ones with beaks, that is) would have the most, but that is almost cheating, and would be hella hard to make an army of, since they only have like 3 per box with the beak
On a more serious note:
I have 24x Warriors (Half Sword&Board, half Double HW), 20x Marauders, 30x Forsaken (Converted the other 20 Marauders), 10x Knights, 20x Pups, and 3x Chaos Trolls & Chaos Ogres + 1 Shaggoth; Any recommendation on where I should go with that?
I hear the Marauders are kinda trash now'a'days, and I have not really gotten a chance to play them. I had one 1.2k game and my friend took a god-damned lvl4 Wizard lord knowing I was taking like all core, and a min-point hero choice. I did not learn much, needless to say. I do plan on being primarily dedicated to Slaanesh with off Tzeentch, which is probably already in the realm of bad choices. Is it something to not dedicate every unit to a god? I felt like I was suppose to that first game, but I could see standing to save points sometimes? Slaaneshes bonus seems better in smaller units that would potentially panic to shooting, but I am not sure where it stands.
Heh, I guess, a list would be fine, preferably using things I have, but I'm more looking for where to head, so if anything I have is utter trash I would like to know I guess. And I understand if I am asking too many questions in general, so no need to answer everything
Nagashizzar
Vargheist
The Sun King said:
This make me think a lot today. While I want a list in the tournaments that my opponent don't see often, I also want a list that have a chance to win.
The Sun King said:
Let's keep this part shall we (if possible)?
:devil2:The Sun King said:
I can't argue with that
. With this is mind, I'll change my idea. The only thing I will keep is no vampire character.Here what I got that you can select from (you can make as many units as you want!). If possible to include a skeleton warriors' regiment, it would be awesome :lol:
Note: The Black Knights and Hexwraiths need to be 20 max total since I can switch the riders!)
LORDS
Heinrich Kemmler
Master Necromancer (up to 4)
HEROES
Krell, Lord of Undeath
Necromancer (up to 4)
Wight King BSB (on foot)
Wight King (up to 2, on foot)
Wight King (on barded Skeletal Steed)
Cairn Wraith (up to 5)
Tomb Banshee (up to 5)
CORE
Skeleton Warriors with Spear (up to 40)
Skeleton Warriors with HW & S (up to 60)
Crypt Ghouls (up to 50)
Zombies (up to 100)
Dire Wolves (up to 10)
SPECIAL
Corpse Cart (up to 5. Would one be nice if Kemmler present? Making him "+6" to dispel?)
Grave Guard (up to 40, with Great weapons)
Black Knight (up to 20)
Crypt Horror (up to 9)
Varghiests (up to 6)
Spirit Host (up to 3)
Hexwraiths (up to 20)
RARE
Blood Knights (up to 5)
Terrorghiest (up to 2)
Mortis Engine (up to 2).
I would also like to thank you very much for taking the time to help us "ordinary" players!
The Sun King said:
Hi Sunny, great list! Planning to use it tomorrow so I can test it out, so I'll let you km now how I get on
Just a few quick questions:
A) I'm assuming the skeletons function as the VL's delivery system. Where would you bunker the ML?
B) How would you change this list if I were to go dual engines rather than double TGs? Spears on the skeletons perhaps?
C) what would your general deployment strategy be?
Thanks again. This thread (and your advice) has been a massive help!
Glad you like it Generation Terrorist. Let me know how it goes 
A. I would put the VL where I need him and keep the MN in the Skels.
B. Spears on Skels and Seed of Rebirth on the MN or VL if you just want minor changes.
C. Deploy the TG's with their side towards the enemy. That way you get 2" free when you pivot them. Also they are harder to hit with cannons this way. Get your big blocks in front of their respective good matchups: GG vs High Armor, CH vs High Toughness or just against something that needs tying down. Ghouls vs low armor and high Toughness. Skels as a bunker. Don't plan on getting perfect matchups since you don't have that many drops.
A. I would put the VL where I need him and keep the MN in the Skels.
B. Spears on Skels and Seed of Rebirth on the MN or VL if you just want minor changes.
C. Deploy the TG's with their side towards the enemy. That way you get 2" free when you pivot them. Also they are harder to hit with cannons this way. Get your big blocks in front of their respective good matchups: GG vs High Armor, CH vs High Toughness or just against something that needs tying down. Ghouls vs low armor and high Toughness. Skels as a bunker. Don't plan on getting perfect matchups since you don't have that many drops.
Nagashizzar
Vargheist
I'm sorry I do not - sadly I have a life and a career besides warhammer and I simply don't have the time to make video reps and rambling rants 
Seems I just read it in your other thread SK I thought i'd come over here and do it... consider yourself challenged to make an updated optimized dual engine list 
I've just purchased a VC army myself (getting back into warhammer after several years absence) before GW starts making us aussie's pay their prices over here (double the US prices) I mail ordered it all from the US. Now just gotta paint it all
I've just purchased a VC army myself (getting back into warhammer after several years absence) before GW starts making us aussie's pay their prices over here (double the US prices) I mail ordered it all from the US. Now just gotta paint it all
With optimized Dual Engine List I assume you mean "Dual Engine list with IoN spam and BT" But yeah I'll get on it as soon as I get past my exams next week
But yeah I'll get on it as soon as I get past my exams next week 
I'm not sure if this has been requested.
Make an army however you please with one required thing: The most powerful death star you can create. Thats it. Just make sure it can stand up to a unit of 40 Chosen of Nurgle with Halberds, a Chaos Lord, and 2 Exalted Heroes.
Edit: You can have unit synergies. The power of the unit doesn't have to be ALL in the unit.
Make an army however you please with one required thing: The most powerful death star you can create. Thats it. Just make sure it can stand up to a unit of 40 Chosen of Nurgle with Halberds, a Chaos Lord, and 2 Exalted Heroes.
Edit: You can have unit synergies. The power of the unit doesn't have to be ALL in the unit.
Nice challenge Abhorash, I'm not sure it's doable - I assume we're in the 2500 range? But I will give it a try.
Not sure if anyone has asked this yet, but make a competitive scream list! Many banshees and perhaps the lore of death for D&D or maybe AODM? Oh, at 2400 points.
Another challenge, create a list that utilizes 3 terrorgheists (one mounted by a GK) at 2400 points.
Another challenge, create a list that utilizes 3 terrorgheists (one mounted by a GK) at 2400 points.
The Sun King said:
Yea 2500 points, sorry should of specified. I thought it would be fun since no one asked for it yet, and Vamps can conjure up some impressive units to avoid
Edit: Well I was exaggerating with the 50 Chosen unit. My point was to make it so 95% of units who go into combat with it will get liquified.
Hey Sunny!!
It looks like my league is going to look like this:
• Week 1 (June 6): 750 points
• Week 2 (June 13): 1000 points
• Week 3 (June 20): 1000 points
• Week 4 (June 27): 1000 points
• Week 5 (July 4): 1250 points
• Week 6 (July 11): 1250 points
• Week 7 (July 18): 1500 points
• Week 8 (July 25): 1750 points
You gave me a 2500pt list earlier but the league looks to change to a lower point total. Would you please be so kind as to help me create a list for this league. There are no restrictions. I just want to learn the game, be competitive (so others can have fun too), and enjoy the process of growing my army.
Thank you so much!
~stuck
It looks like my league is going to look like this:
• Week 1 (June 6): 750 points
• Week 2 (June 13): 1000 points
• Week 3 (June 20): 1000 points
• Week 4 (June 27): 1000 points
• Week 5 (July 4): 1250 points
• Week 6 (July 11): 1250 points
• Week 7 (July 18): 1500 points
• Week 8 (July 25): 1750 points
You gave me a 2500pt list earlier but the league looks to change to a lower point total. Would you please be so kind as to help me create a list for this league. There are no restrictions. I just want to learn the game, be competitive (so others can have fun too), and enjoy the process of growing my army.
Thank you so much!
~stuck
Hey Sunny,
I've been reading through the thread and I don't think I have seen a challenge like this one.
The Undying Army.
Concept will be SUPER points denial. Start thinking dual ME, Sword and board skeletons and GG.
Maybe some corpse carts to take advantage of the non-great weapon GG?
In any case, use your imagination! Points can be 1600, 2000, or 2400. If you are feeling ambitious make a list that can grow from one points level to the next.
On a side note do you do anything special to avoid the double miscast effect of the ME for your high level casters or just pray for no miscast?
Thanks,
Psi
I've been reading through the thread and I don't think I have seen a challenge like this one.
The Undying Army.
Concept will be SUPER points denial. Start thinking dual ME, Sword and board skeletons and GG.
Maybe some corpse carts to take advantage of the non-great weapon GG?
In any case, use your imagination! Points can be 1600, 2000, or 2400. If you are feeling ambitious make a list that can grow from one points level to the next.
On a side note do you do anything special to avoid the double miscast effect of the ME for your high level casters or just pray for no miscast?
Thanks,
Psi
Hanblack Nagash
Vargheist
I challenge thee to make up a 3000 pt list.
The stips are it must contain atleast 4 chariots
And atleast one forbidden lore vamp.
Simple but it must be as competitive as possible.
Oh and for the record it would be fighting new HE
Cheers.
The stips are it must contain atleast 4 chariots
And atleast one forbidden lore vamp.
Simple but it must be as competitive as possible.
Oh and for the record it would be fighting new HE
Cheers.
@ Tawg: Regarding where to go with your WoC it seems to me you have lot of stuff that's quite good. I would invest in some Chimeras and some Chariots - that way you can make a lot of different lists.
@ Nagashizzar: Regarding the list I made for you I do think that you can win with it. With subpar I just mean that it probably won't be no. 1 at all tournies
@ Xander: I only do one challenge per person - so you'll have to choose
@ Stuck: As I've said before it's too big a job to make a list that scales
Dawico's Optimized Dual Engine List AND Psiosis undying army
LORD
Master Necromancer: Earthing Rod, Seed of Rebirth, Level 4 Wizard
HEROES
Necromancer: Dispel Scroll
Necromancer
Necromancer
CORE
37 Crypt Ghouls: Crypt Ghast
21 Zombies: Banner
20 Zombies: Banner
20 Zombies: Banner
20 Zombies: Banner
SPECIAL
10 Crypt Horrors
40 Grave Guard: FC, Great Weapons, Banner of the Barrows
RARE
Mortis Engine: Blasphemous Tome
Mortis Engine
Total Army Points: 2498pts
@ Nagashizzar: Regarding the list I made for you I do think that you can win with it. With subpar I just mean that it probably won't be no. 1 at all tournies
@ Xander: I only do one challenge per person - so you'll have to choose
@ Stuck: As I've said before it's too big a job to make a list that scales
Dawico's Optimized Dual Engine List AND Psiosis undying army
LORD
Master Necromancer: Earthing Rod, Seed of Rebirth, Level 4 Wizard
HEROES
Necromancer: Dispel Scroll
Necromancer
Necromancer
CORE
37 Crypt Ghouls: Crypt Ghast
21 Zombies: Banner
20 Zombies: Banner
20 Zombies: Banner
20 Zombies: Banner
SPECIAL
10 Crypt Horrors
40 Grave Guard: FC, Great Weapons, Banner of the Barrows
RARE
Mortis Engine: Blasphemous Tome
Mortis Engine
Total Army Points: 2498pts
Alright, the challenge is 3 Terrorgheists at 2400 points. Bring your best SGK build on that terrorghiest! 2400 points
Ah, thanks for the advice;
I'm curious though, if you got a chance:
I'm interested in a VC army that runs a lot of Shadow to try and "Swap out" positions to strengthen units that need help or misdirect them against characters. Not the best idea, or what would a 2.4k list look like?
I'm curious though, if you got a chance:
I'm interested in a VC army that runs a lot of Shadow to try and "Swap out" positions to strengthen units that need help or misdirect them against characters. Not the best idea, or what would a 2.4k list look like?
@ Xander: Got it.
@ Tawg: I've actually been challenged to do that before by Lasombra, but I was unable to find any viable build that utilized the lore attribute of Shadow.
@ Vipoid: Just keep spells to 2 dices and pray Eventually things will go sour, but even with the MN sucked into the void this army marches on.
@ Tawg: I've actually been challenged to do that before by Lasombra, but I was unable to find any viable build that utilized the lore attribute of Shadow.
@ Vipoid: Just keep spells to 2 dices and pray
Eventually things will go sour, but even with the MN sucked into the void this army marches on.The Sun King said:@ Vipoid: Just keep spells to 2 dices and pray
I'm probably just scarred because of an event a while ago.
'Hmm, Mortis Engines sound good, I think I'll give one a try. Might as well give Blasphemous Tome a go too."
First turn, magic phase - "Ok, my Necromancer will cast invocation with 2 dice."
6,6
"Ok, well, I'll just roll on the miscast table then."
Result 1 - Drain Magic
Result 2 - Dimensional Cascade
:O
(to my opponent) "Um, which one do you want."
He picked Dimensional cascade. My Necromancer got sucked into the warp.
On turn 3, my Vampire also bought himself a dimensional cascade by having the gall to cast Dance with 3 dice. He also got sucked into the warp, kindly taking a large portion of my general's Ghoul unit with him. :grave:
I like to think he and my necromancer went to a better place... :ghost:
Nagashizzar
Vargheist
The Sun King said:@ Nagashizzar: Regarding the list I made for you I do think that you can win with it. With subpar I just mean that it probably won't be no. 1 at all tournies
Cool. I'll try the list and let you know how it did
@ Vipoid: That is a sad story indeed. But the BT upgrade is really only good if you plan on spamming level necros who use 1 die at a time on IoN.